Birdman
I think the spelling in English is contradiction. I would bet that you knew that, but in haste you made a human
error. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
So far, the mistakes that I have made with gun or bow have
been shots taken at close range due to brush or other factors unnoticed until the shot was made, & I try very hard
to notice anything that will or could alter my shot. I believe that if you shoot Deer, Hogs & other Big Game Animals that number well into 3 digits as I & others on this
forum have, you will make a mistake or two along the way.
Should I turn down any shot at close range now because I have made these errors in the past? I don't think so, but I
can & did learn from them.
I have not missed any Big Game at long range yet, but I have
not shot near as many animals at long range as some members
of this forum. If I get the chance to shoot alot of Big Game
at long range, no doubt mistakes/errors in judgement will
occur. Our responsibility is to always strive not to make
these mistakes & to enjoy our sport. The decisions that we
make in the field are sometimes quick decisions as was
Kirby's in this case. Kirby can & I am sure will speak for
himself & no doubt he has thought about this & what to do
next time. I am glad he shared this with us because it gives
us a chance to think about it also. I will walk a wide path
around those who act like everything they do in the field
goes according to plan. Does everything that you do at work
or with your family go perfect?
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You will not make peace with the Blue Coats, you are free to go.
Kirby, I was interrupted a couple of times while entering
my post which obviously started before yours & your reponse
makes mine unnecessary I suppose.
BTW, I have blown several shots at long range Varmits as I
have done that alot.
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You will not make peace with the Blue Coats, you are free to go.
Roy you are very welcome, I don't know the cartridge you are working with but if you used an Ackley Improved shoulder
on the cartridge I sent the data on (40 degrees) you can easily best the velocities of my data, just a thought. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]Good luck with your project!!
One last thing I would like to say on this topic and then I will be done with it.
Judging ranges from your location out to past 500 yards is extremely difficult for me personally. Rememeber that in most of my posts I am referring to my personal abilities and experience. I know full well there are those that are much more gifted in pure shooting ability.
Hell, most of my customers shoot my built rifles better then I do [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]!!
That said, and back to the topic at hand. Had I not had a reference range that was "close" to where the wolf was, I would not have taken the shot. Even if he was standing perfectly still. That is unless he would have given me time to use the MLR reticle to get a range measurement with some math. Being I am not a math professional he would have had to stand there quite a while. But even then I probably would not have taken the shot because again, my experience level with wolves is not what it is now.
I know know a timber wolf will stand 33 to 35" at the shoulders. Knowing that it works out pretty well for using the MLR or mil dot reticles to get a range estimation.
Point is Crane was guess COLD. No reference range, no quarter section lines to use for an educated guess, just had to make a cold range estimate at a very long range.
My comments about guessing within 100 or even 50 yards was directed to his situation where he would have to guess within less the 50 yards at +700 yards to make a killing shot on this buck.
It is vastly more accurate to have a reference range that is within 100 yards of a target and make an educated guess from that point to make a shot. Had Crane had a reference point like I did, I suspect we would all be able to share in his big buck with the pictures of it after the shot.
I pertaining to my situation, had I had time to estimate a more accurate range, I would have also had time to actually take a range where the wolf stood. But as things worked out, the Swarovski rangefinder stayed on my lap where it did the entire hunt when not in use because there was no time to use it at that point.
Contradiction, maybe to some, so be it. I feel I did nothing unethical and I know for a fact that Crane did the correct thing.
Nuff said, we all make errors in hunting. If you have not yet, YOU WILL eventually. And when that happens, those that have been in your shoes will understand and support you because it happens to us all, even those hunters that never shoot past 200 yards!!
Have a good day, enough on this topic in my opinion, Crane did right in my mind!! Lets go shooting!!
Kirby Allen(50)
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At this range you have to know the exact range, not within 100 yards or even 50 yards, you need the EXACT range or you should not shoot at all.
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Had I not had a reference range that was "CLOSE" to where the wolf was, I would not have taken the shot.
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