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Jim Zumbo's article against Long Range Hunting

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Unread 02-19-2007, 07:17 PM
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Re: Jim Zumbo\'s article against Long Range Hunting

Hey ,over on there's more on Zumbo.
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Unread 02-19-2007, 10:07 PM
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Re: Jim Zumbo\'s article against Long Range Hunting

I just tried to find the address for my Dad and Outdoor Life has suspended the blog for now.
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Unread 02-19-2007, 10:32 PM
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Re: Jim Zumbo\'s article against Long Range Hunting

I am getting used to the uneducated, close-minded people thrashing long range hunting but I was surprised to see him take that stance on AR-15's. I thought he was on the side of the 2nd amendment but I was wrong. Since when did the Bill of Rights change it's wording from "arms" to "wood stocked, bolt action rifle in an acceptable, non-terrorist caliber"?

I don't own an AR and probably never will because I find them uncomfortable to shoot, but that doesn't mean they should not be enjoyed by other people who can shoot them. If they are black, so what? If they look mean, so what? I don't see where that even matters. A gun is a gun and they were meant for the people of a free state for the protection of the free state.
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Unread 02-20-2007, 01:43 AM
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Re: Jim Zumbo\'s article against Long Range Hunting

Statement from Outdoor Life
Due to the controversy surrounding Jim Zumbo’s recent postings, Outdoor Life has decided to discontinue the “Hunting With Zumbo” blog for the time being. Outdoor Life has always been, and will always be, a steadfast supporter of our Second Amendment rights, which do not make distinctions based on the looks of the firearms we choose to own, shoot and take hunting. Please direct any comments you have to

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Unread 02-20-2007, 02:09 AM
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Re: Jim Zumbo\'s article against Long Range Hunting

Since when did the Bill of Rights change it's wording from "arms" to "wood stocked, bolt action rifle in an acceptable, non-terrorist caliber"?

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Amen! I recently visited California. Where the Bill of Rights grants us the right to keep and bear arms, "in a locked case, with the ammo kept in a seperate part of your vehicle".

Supposedly this is to keep me from shooting the police officer who just wrote me a ticket for parking crooked at the park and ride. And to keep me from shooting the congenital idiot who just cut me off, forcing me to slam on my brakes and bruise the shoulders of all four of my horses.

And yet, in my home state of Utah I have managed to controll myself through all these things with my trusted, charming 686 close to hand. So, the only thing Californias misguided public has insured is I'll be defenseless in the event of a mugging, driveby shooting, robbery, carjacking, etc, etc........

Perhaps Zumbo needs to move to California where he'll fit in.
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Unread 02-20-2007, 10:16 AM
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New twist to Zumbos LRH rant.....

To all,

Here is a bit more information you may find interesting about the blog Zumbo wrote about LRH.

I was sending contacts to my friends and customers about what he had said and one e-mailed me back and also called me last night in referrence to this paragraph by Zumbo:

"Then at the SCI convention last week, I talked to a guy who bragged that his custom gun kills deer out at 800 yards and better. To each his own, I suppose, but that isn't hunting. It's shooting. And I don't care how great a marksman you are. The risk of wounding an animal at extremely long ranges is high, and where's the sportsmanship, the ethics, the satisfaction of taking outrageously long shots? I understand there's a group in PA that shoots deer at 1,000 yards and more. More power to them. Just don't ask me to support that kind of "hunting."

My customer and actually old family friend, a man I have gone on many a hunting trips with and know very well e-mailed me the following before calling me:

" kirb
The guy he talked to at the sci was me we chatted
about guns and the fact that I had A custom gun built
for me that was capable of shooting deer at 800 yds in
the right conditions not that I had done it & I told
him so. I told him I had shot a deer at 602 yds on one
of our few windless days and with that gun it was very
doable with a good rest 'which I had.
I had no idea he would take it like he did but I'm
glad to know what he is really like. I kinda liked him
but I guess you never know. Anyway you build a hell of
a gun and I told him so. I guess he probably won't
order one though.

see you later


Then he called me on the phone and was very apologetic that Zumbo had taken their conversation and turned it into ammo against LR hunters. He said he never once said that he had ever shot a deer past 602 yards and only that he had practiced extensively out to a hair past 1000 yards and at that range in good conditions it was not hard to hit a paper plate size target consistantly.

Again, he wanted to stress that he never did brag at all about anything but that the rifle was a hell of a shooter and in fact stressed the point that only in ideal conditions should these shots be considers and that only with top end equipment and alot of range time is it practical to expect to hit your targets consistantly at long range but it is certainly practical with the right rifles and shooter and conditions.

The funny thing is that Tony, my friend and customer that Zumbo abused their conversation with to push his anti LR hunting agenda, Tony owns an archery proshop. He hunts 90% of the time with archery gear and takes the VAST majority of his big game with archery gear.

He wanted to get into the Long range shooting sport and asked me if I would build him a rifle so he could practice shooting at long range as hitting a target out to 800 yards really peeked his interest.

What I did was sell Tony my original 270 Allen Magnum which I rebarreled with a fluted #6, 30" Lilja. I know what this rifle would do before I rebarreled it and I took it out and range tested the rifle after rebarreling. She broke three for three clay pigeons at 880 yards on the range test so I know its a hell of a shooter.

I have also seen the groups Tony has shot with the rifle at 300, out to 800 yards.

My point, Zumbo took an innocent conversation which my friend struck up with him simply because he knew Zumbo was a rifle man and did not have any interest in archery equipment. He just wanted to basically give me a plug for the rifle as he thought Zumbo would be interested in a quality rifle story.

But instead, Zumbo talked to my friend, twice in fact, never once sharing his opinion against long range hunting but carrying on a conversation about it only to turn around and use that against my friend and also add things that are bald face lies about Tony saying the rifle has taken deer out to 800 yards.

SO if Zumbo is reading this which I am sure he is not, but just in case, no that rifle has not taken deer past 800 yards. It has however taken rockchucks with one shot kills at 998 yards, 1114 yards and 1248 yards. It has also taken two coyotes at 855 yards and 925 yards. It has also taken a trophy class mouflon ram at 610 yards.

Just wanted to give you all a little back ground on the conversation that actually spurred this blog article by Zumbo. To be blunt, its pretty much loosely based on fact and largely made up in the mind of this anti gun guy.

Nuff said, I think you get the point.

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Unread 02-20-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: New twist to Zumbos LRH rant.....

From the email I have received from Cabela's, and Mossy oak they both as has Remington dropped Zumbo like a bad habit.
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