Originally Posted by Wild_Bill
Contact Hornady and ask how to bet the propelants they usenfor their light mag and new cartridges they will tell you you can't. This is also in some of their advertising they have propelants made generally by St Marks powders and they are high energg and also highly compressed and not available to handloaders.
Just the facts.
Please note I havenhand loaded over a million rounds professionaly and have had access to powders not available to private individuals only businesses with an OEM number and registered as a commercial manufacturer.
Bill... I realize that you live in "OZ", and there are differences in our language, but can you please translate "Contact Hornady and ask how to bet the propelants they usenfor "
If you are a commercial loader, then you should KNOW that the Hornady loads are loaded to C.I.P. standards, not SAAMI - BIG DIFFERENCE IN PRESSURES - Bill... how did that one get by you??
As to loading experence... I have been loading since before you got your first tricycle - I loaded commercially for a number of years, and still have three commercial loading machines, and a pressure gun - so I'm not impressed with your million rounds - that's less than a few months of production for a small, one man shop - and I'm not impressed with your lack of knowledge, especially since you are unaware of the C.I.P. standards that Hornady uses with their "light mag" rounds.
If the 300 Savage case, and the 30-06 case are loaded with the SAME pressure standards, the '06 will beat the crap out of the 300 Savage every time... Duh!!
Do take note - high energy propellants ARE available to the public, without a special license (at least in the USA), and though you may consider the USA to be somewhat backwards, we did figure out (many years ago), how to compress a powder charge - after all, we DID invent handloading, while you lot were still trying to figure out how the boomerang came back.
There are no secret powders... the reason that you "can't get" the powders that Hornady (or Federal, or Winchester) uses, is because they are "bulk" powders, and carry different numbers than the "canister" powders that are available over the counter.
For example... W-750 is a ball powder of medium burning rate, that is loaded in millions of 308 and 223 class cartridges every month. It is similar to W-748, which is the canister version. You can't get W-750 (actually you can), because each lot varies so much that it must be calibrated by the loading company, and the machines adjusted - so the amount of powder that you will find in your 308 rounds is different every time you buy a box (if the lot number is different).
Now... if you have the smarts and wherewithal to do it, you can buy W-750 (or any of the other bulk powders) and load them... and they are very cheap. But you must generate the loading data yourself.
So, Bill... stuff it!