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Bingo!

P.S. Just watched another filming of the shot in which the sniper himself said, "it was a pretty lucky shot now that I look back at it". I guess that stupid sniper needs to go back and learn English with the rest of all the millions of dumb people who have ever said "lucky shot" because we're using the wrong word! Thanks Bill for enlightening a whole language. I'll make sure the next time I hear someone say, "that was a lucky shot" I will slap them on the wrist and tell them it's not lucky, it chance! Sheeeesh......


Hey as I said before ----- a lot of people here read too many magazines, watch too many movies because they are not cognizant of what it takes to make the shot our friend from Canada made. Great shot no doubt that required a tremendous amount of skill but the key in making a great shot is being able to recognize ones limitations as well as the factors that contribute to the establishment of said limitations.

For those who do understand the combined causal effect of the variables involved and the required mitigation that did not happen because of the lack of knowledge of those variables it cannot be explained any other way---luck was involved.
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    I think Dirty Harry defined and used the word consistent with proper English language; Do you feel lucky, punk? I had no trouble understanding the meaning. I didn't have to look to Webster's dictionary. Talk about splitting hairs. How we've got so many people on tippy toes dancing around the use of the word luck escapes me. My guess is all the troops involved in the incident would agree it took some measure of luck, regardless of the set of skills they brought into play.

    Drawing a line in the sand here and then defending it to the death over some aspect of luck in these ultra long range shots? Time to lighten up and enjoy the holidays. Luck doesn't mean GG or anyone else cursed the forces or disparaged the sniper(s) that made the kill. Luck is what it is. Not hard to understand. Nothing more. Nothing less. Make the shot 10 out of 10 attempts and I'll negate the luck factor. Make it one out of three, plus then the shooter himself acknowledges that luck played a role? End of story.

    Now, I hope I get a chance to watch the feature. Especially if they interviewed Carlos Hathcock. I read a book called Marine Sniper once. If only half of what Hathcock was credited with in that book was true, that guy was unreal!

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    I think Dirty Harry defined and used the word consistent with proper English language; Do you feel lucky, punk? I had no trouble understanding the meaning. I didn't have to look to Webster's dictionary. Talk about splitting hairs. How we've got so many people on tippy toes dancing around the use of the word luck escapes me. My guess is all the troops involved in the incident would agree it took some measure of luck, regardless of the set of skills they brought into play.

    Drawing a line in the sand here and then defending it to the death over some aspect of luck in these ultra long range shots? Time to lighten up and enjoy the holidays. Luck doesn't mean GG or anyone else cursed the forces or disparaged the sniper(s) that made the kill. Luck is what it is. Not hard to understand. Nothing more. Nothing less. Make the shot 10 out of 10 attempts and I'll negate the luck factor. Make it one out of three, plus then the shooter himself acknowledges that luck played a role? End of story.

    Now, I hope I get a chance to watch the feature. Especially if they interviewed Carlos Hathcock. I read a book called Marine Sniper once. If only half of what Hathcock was credited with in that book was true, that guy was unreal!
    He, Carlos Hathcock, was real until his untimely death a few years ago. Don't forget Chuck Mawhinney who in one night took out 16 NVA with 16 shots...confirmed. Chuck took out more NVA than any other sniper in the "Nam". Also don't forget John Plaster who took out a whole lot of NVA also. The list is endless of guys that did their job. www.ultimatesniper.com will give you the true stuff from a guy that did three tours in the Nam. His name is Maj. John L. Plaster (U.S. Army Special Forces Green Beret, Recon Team)
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    Hey as I said before ----- a lot of people here read too many magazines, watch too many movies because they are not cognizant of what it takes to make the shot our friend from Canada made. Great shot no doubt that required a tremendous amount of skill but the key in making a great shot is being able to recognize ones limitations as well as the factors that contribute to the establishment of said limitations.

    For those who do understand the combined causal effect of the variables involved and the required mitigation that did not happen because of the lack of knowledge of those variables it cannot be explained any other way---luck was involved.

    You're absolutely right Boss. This isn't the first time we've dealt with this is it?

    Hey, BTW, are you headed to Tucson next year for any comps? I heard they just upgraded the 1000 yard firing line and pits recently.
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    I think Dirty Harry defined and used the word consistent with proper English language; Do you feel lucky, punk? !


    Dirty Harry said a dirty word now didn't he?! HA!
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    Well in the season of good will... I hope everyone here gets 'lucky'.

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    When it became clear to me that my son would follow down the same trail I had been down, I explained to him how to tell when he was being shot at by a sniper that was trying to get lucky and when by a sniper who was truly skillful for those situations that are commonly encountered such as supersonic and subsonic. This included how to stay alive and how and if you should try to kill the sniper.

    Denigrating the skills of combat snipers as just a matter of luck is a choice you are free to make. However there is a reason why we celebrated Christmas today rather than Ramadan next month. Combat snipers do not earn HOF points. What they earn are:



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