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History's Sniper show

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Unread 01-01-2010, 10:22 PM
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Re: History's Sniper show

[QUOTE=Boss Hoss;344450 If you compete let me know where you travel to shoot maybe we will see how good you are? /QUOTE]

I'll send you the address for the local army recrueter, only "competetive" shooting I have done was with a target that shot back. Been thinking about reenlisting anyway.

I am out, this wasn't worth my time in the first place.
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Unread 01-02-2010, 12:19 AM
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Re: History's Sniper show

The snipers did the best they could do with what they had. I just wonder how GG would have done under the same circumstances??
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Unread 01-02-2010, 08:02 AM
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Re: History's Sniper show

Boss Hoss

Your first post on this thread was ranked # 1 as the very dumbest until ATH showed up. He dropped you all the way to 3rd place until you decided to post this

I met and talked to him at the SHOT Show in Dallas in the later stages of his life
While this one does not regain you first place because ATH has that really nailed down tight, it at least does get you back into 2nd place.

Well sorry but seems to me that you may be one of those "all hat and no cattle folks" as we like to say in Texas
Any day you wish to compare combat records with me you just post up your numbers and the names and addresses of the men who were there with you and can verify the body counts. Oh yeah just in case you know as little about combat as it seems, dead paper targets don't count.
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Unread 01-02-2010, 11:33 AM
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Re: History's Sniper show

When someone here makes the same shot with less trouble then maybe you could criticize his shooting,untill then....
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Unread 01-03-2010, 12:48 AM
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If snipers are so un-humanly perfect, why do they ever miss? If the perfection you profess is real misses would not happen. Every 2600m shot would result in a kill through the heart. Rarely have I ever seen a thread reeking so bad of BS. At least the sniper had the honesty to admit there was some luck involved, sorry but I'll take his word for it over your anonymous and smoke-blowing internet persona.

The level of assinine being played out in this thread is exemplified in this:

"At the time the sniper pulls the trigger he KNOWS the bullet will hit where he placed his point of aim. If he in the end misses he corrects his hold or dope and fires again if the target presents him with another opportunity. Without 100% confidence your probability of a hit drops dramatically. Luck is never a factor in the shooters mind. "

If they KNOW it, why does it take 3 shots to make the hit? Sure, they are confident in their skills and rightfully so. But that does not mean that they will be successful 100% of the time. That is an unrealistic expectation (or, on this forum, profession of their skills). Being confident and how that plays out in the real world are two very different things. I call BS that snipers are 100% confident in every hit, if they were they would be devastated when they missed and not know how to react as that was not a possibility in their mind. Instead, they understand that is a possibility and react quickly and professionally to correct for whatever variance from expected conditions (wind, distance etc) caused the miss and take another shot.

Judging the wind is hard enough at reasonable ranges within the normal operating parameters of one's equipment. Across unreasonably long ranges with unknown ammo, no flags, etc etc....nobody could realistically know exactly where the wind would carry the round. I've shot across valleys where wind direction changed a couple times and that is small potatoes to what this Canadian sniper managed to do. He made his best guess, took a shot, and MISSED. Just like 99.99% of snipers or anyone else would. But instead of reeling in shock because he'd been 100% confident that he'd hit under such impossible conditions, he quickly compensated and got the job done (both the second and third shots were on-target, likely well within the precision of the weapon). However if we are to believe you, we could put ANY sniper behind that rifle under similar conditions and they would hit a man-sized target in 3 shots or less.

Care to take that bet?

We'd also see former snipers taking all F-class and 1000-yd titles as they'd shoot perfect scores in every match. Why don't we see this? Do they lose their edge the minute they leave the service?

Again, he hit a target that was most certainly smaller than the precision of his weapon at that distance. By definition, there was an element of luck/chance/serendipity involved in where the bullet actually hit. There is ALWAYS an element of chance involved in shooting, which is why we shoot groups and not bug holes.

Somebody's got some serious insecurity issues if they can't take the fact that a little luck helped out a very skilled shooter do something beyond what he had trained to do while handicapped by unknown ammo out of his control or prediction. And the whole "old sniper trick" about heating up the ammo? C'mon....the BS meter breaks on that one. If you don't know how many FPS it's going to do nothing but introduce yet one more unknown.

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Unread 01-03-2010, 01:13 AM
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Re: History's Sniper show

One last question BB --

Since there was zero luck involved, please explain for us non-snipers exactly how one calculates the hold-off for ammunition they have never shot, using a bullet they have never shot, at a range no sniper has ever shot? Because according to you he did this with zero error.
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Unread 01-03-2010, 01:27 AM
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Re: History's Sniper show

And here I was afraid this thread had pettered out.

No worries. Buffalobob has now taken a commanding lead, and has a solid 'lock' on first place.

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