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Old 12-21-2009, 08:17 PM
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History's Sniper show

Anybody catch the History Channel's Sniper show last night? I thought it was fairly interesting. I had never heard the whole story behind the longest confirmed sniper kill and what I did hear was embellished a bit. But after watching the show, I was somewhat let down by the story. Well, of several of the stories actually.

For those who didn't see it, there were several stories of history's sniper kills besides the longest recorded kill. There was a story of the famous "one mile" kill, the longest 308 winchester kill, and a story of the "scope" shot Carlos Hathcock made.


The 308 kill is usually referred to when you tell a serviceman that the 308 is not really a long range cartridge. They say well it was good enough to kill a an insurgent at 1300 plus yards. But in the show, they admitted that the recommended range of the 308 is just a bit over 1000 yards. ANd when the Sniper told the story of the shot, he admitted that he just wanted to put a shot into the insurgent's hideout area to keep him from shooting at the Marines. He had no idea that he would actually connect on the guy. He said it was a one in a million shot and he probably wouldn't be able to do it again.


Then the Sniper who made the "mile long" supporting shot told his story. He made his kill with the 50 bmg. But he explained that he saw three men go behind a wall and begin to set up a machine gun. He guessed where they were behind the wall because he couldn't see them and simply put a shot through the wall hoping to hit one of them. But it was almost a guarantee that someone was going to get hit because of the round he was shooting and how it "shotguns" bits and pieces through the wall. He never knew how many of the three he hit, where he hit them, or how bad. All he saw was blood on the wall behind their position. Oh yeah, and he admitted that the kill shot was the second shot. The first shot he tried was shot way low because he didn't realize the distance had changed from where he had ranged other insurgents.

Then when they got to the "longest kill", I had to shake my head. This Sniper was a Canadian who was assigned to an american sortee. The shot was made at an elevation of 9000+' which was an elevation the SNiper never had practiced in. He also said that he made the shot with "american" ammo because he had ran out of Canadian ammo earlier in the day. The "american" ammo is loaded with a more aerodynamic bullet, and heavier bullet to boot at a totally different velocity. He had no experience with this "american" ammo and never sighted in with it either. Then he said he did a "sniper trick" by placing his ammo out in the sun to heat it up and gain some extra velocity. WHAT? I've never heard of any sniper doing this! So he was shooting ammo that wasn't tuned to the gun and then it was even heated up too. Amazing.

Then the Canadian Sniper went on to say that he bottomed out his scope turret and used his mil-dots for extra elevation and windage. And his first guess of which mil dot to use was wrong. The shot landed low and right. But the dumb Taliban rebels (it was a group of three men) just stood there and watched the dust cloud come up by them! So the Sniper loaded another round and fired again using a different mil-dot. This shot hit one of the rebels in the backpack tearing it from his body. But still, the rebels didn't believe they were being shot at. The next guess of kentucky wind and hold proved to be the kill shot. It hit one of the rebels square and knocked him off his feet. Wow, the greatest shot in history? No, but probably the luckiest given all the unusual circumstances.

But, the story of Hathcock's shot was a true one shot one kill sniper shot by a guy who knew what he was doing and that sort of redeemed the show in my opinion. Carlos put a bullet straight through the scope of an enemy's rifle just a spit second before Carlos himself was about to be killed. If he had to take two or three shots in a "guessing" manner to kill the enemy, Carlos would have been sent home in a box.

I guess it just goes to show what a great Sniper Carlos was and he did his feat all those years ago without the gadgets we have today.
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Old 12-21-2009, 08:30 PM
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Re: History's Sniper show

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yeah I caught the show, was also disapoijted about the shots, except Carlos' one. On the other hand, how they tested his shot by shooting through a scope at 30yards was pretty stupid. I imagine the angle at which it enters the scope at 300yards is very different, the bullet probably rickoted inside the scope.

The canadian sniper shot I found really sad. If you already have no data for a bullet, how the hell is heating it up a sniper trick? Unless I'm completly misinformed, lr shooting is about trying to keep everything consistent. I'm pretty damn sure putting a round in the sun for a few minutes doesn't count... That was a complete potshot, when I first read about the shot I really had some respect for the Canadian snipershide but after seeing this... Anyone could have done that. He didn't even dial in correctly, just cranked his scope till it stopped then held some and dropped a suntanned round in the chamber. Greatest shot in history? Pfft is all I can say. But yes was an interesting show overall, cleared up some stuff. I also thought it was pretty gorey for the history channel... My 12year old brother watches that show and this was discribing people's faces being taken off....
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YouTube - Canadian Forces Sniper Rob Furlong CBC Sunday Report #1

YouTube - Canadian Forces Sniper Rob Furlong CBC Sunday Report #2
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Old 12-21-2009, 09:33 PM
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Thanks for the vids 280 fan. They must have been recorded earlier than the show was. In the show, the Canadian sniper didn't make any mention of his percieved superiority of the Canadian sniper teams like he did in the youtube vids. I guess everybody thinks their own highschool football team is the best too despite the statistics.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Canadians haven't won the Sniper challenge in Fort Benning every year have they. If memory serves, the US and Swedish teams are usually the teams to beat?
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I find it a little discouraging how everyone is taking this, the Canadian put himself out there in defense of our guys and in my mind nothing but respect should be shown him. Sound like to me the guy pulled every trick out of his hat to get a bullet over there to help. I've read guys who have posted in this thread miss shots on elk at half that distance, so what it took him a couple extra to hit a man at that distance.
Showing any disrespect to this guy over a shot in defense of this country is reprehensible and disgusting.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone but dang criticizing something a guy did in service I find offensive, and then to critique his shot, I can't believe I read it on this forum.
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I find it a little discouraging how everyone is taking this, the Canadian put himself out there in defense of our guys and in my mind nothing but respect should be shown him. Sound like to me the guy pulled every trick out of his hat to get a bullet over there to help. I've read guys who have posted in this thread miss shots on elk at half that distance, so what it took him a couple extra to hit a man at that distance.
Showing any disrespect to this guy over a shot in defense of this country is reprehensible and disgusting.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone but dang criticizing something a guy did in service I find offensive, and then to critique his shot, I can't believe I read it on this forum.
Bigngreen,

No need to get bignred over my post. I didn't say I was disappointed in the MAN or his service, I was disappointed in the SHOT(s). I used to admire these shots but I have now learned that all those famed shots were more of flukes than of skill and then to hear the guy say that Canadian snipers are the best rubbed me the wrong way. Hathcock was the only one shot one kill sniper on the show and he was a US soldier but didn't rub it in.
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Bigngreen,

No need to get bignred over my post. I didn't say I was disappointed in the MAN or his service, I was disappointed in the SHOT(s). I used to admire these shots but I have now learned that all those famed shots were more of flukes than of skill and then to hear the guy say that Canadian snipers are the best rubbed me the wrong way. Hathcock was the only one shot one kill sniper on the show and he was a US soldier but didn't rub it in.
+1 goodgrouper same here, I just thought the shot was an absolutely amazing feat by the Canadian sniper. I didn't know just how much luck was involved. I find it really amazing they put their life on the line to help in the offensive. I think you took our intent wrong...
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