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Hillary Clinton for president....

 
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Old 01-21-2007, 01:41 PM
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Re: Hillary Clinton for president....

At least you guys have the chance of a vote, we in the UK are going to get a Prime Minister that no one even voted for!

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Old 01-21-2007, 02:00 PM
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how? thats a dictator not a PM!!!
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Old 01-21-2007, 03:32 PM
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I agree with Biff, If they tap my phone I have nothing to worry about. They are protecting us!!

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I believe it was Thomas Jefferson that said something along the lines of a person willing to sacrifice freedom for security deserves niether.
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Old 01-21-2007, 03:42 PM
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and which freedoms would i be sacrificing by allowing a federal terrorist investigation to listen in on my conversations with people overseas? do you realize they have an eye on many many more things than that? you will surely never know what they really spy in on..... and is there really a reason to be fearful unless you are guilty of aiding a terrorist action yourself? that quote was not intended to keep the feds from employing secretive tactics to intercept illegal terrorist activity. we give up NO freedoms at all by allowing them to listen in on international calls to known terrorists....... its a simple way to keep tabs on the bad guys, and had the word never gotten out about it, noone would care or be affected except the bad guys.

we have put these folks in a position of power where they can spy on anyone including us. it is noone's fault but our own. and there are much worse things they could be doing in secret that im sure ol jefferson would be a bit more agitated about. i feel no threat from any of this towards my right to protect myself and my family.

id really like to be of the priveledged few to get to know all the confidential or classified stuff that they do and know. i bet it would blow a guys mind [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Old 01-21-2007, 05:32 PM
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Re: Hillary Clinton for president....

Do you know what Biff, You should run, you would get my vote [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 01-21-2007, 07:18 PM
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and which freedoms would i be sacrificing by allowing a federal terrorist investigation to listen in on my conversations with people overseas? do you realize they have an eye on many many more things than that? you will surely never know what they really spy in on..... and is there really a reason to be fearful unless you are guilty of aiding a terrorist action yourself? that quote was not intended to keep the feds from employing secretive tactics to intercept illegal terrorist activity. we give up NO freedoms at all by allowing them to listen in on international calls to known terrorists....... its a simple way to keep tabs on the bad guys, and had the word never gotten out about it, noone would care or be affected except the bad guys.
we have put these folks in a position of power where they can spy on anyone including us. it is noone's fault but our own. and there are much worse things they could be doing in secret that im sure ol jefferson would be a bit more agitated about. i feel no threat from any of this towards my right to protect myself and my family.

id really like to be of the priveledged few to get to know all the confidential or classified stuff that they do and know. i bet it would blow a guys mind [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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Freedoms/rights same definition by me.Yes, the Homeland Security Act did flush freedoms/rights down the toilet.To me the HSA represents a much greater threat to the American citizen than it does any terrorist or terrorist organization.Anytime the feds give themselves the right to bypass a judical process it is a threat to the rights of US States and citizens.And yes,federal legislation of this type is exactly what the founders of this country feared.It just threw away another check/balance of the judical/executive branch of govrnment.
But yes,I also agree with you,its not the first and probably not the last,but I think youll find in the coming years more and more people are going to be fed up with the power abuse of the federal government.
Very soon everyone will be giving up (ok,not giving it up,but having it legislated out of existance) thier right to own a gun,whether they like it or not.The freedom/right to defend ones home and family WILL be gone.None (or not enough to matter) of the politicians in power care what thier servants will is,which is exactly what we have become.Sometime long ago,our elected officials stopped representing us and we were forced to represent them.Take it for what its worth,hopefully in ten years you can post back on here (if firearm discussion is allowed on a communication network) and tell me Im full of sh*t.
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Old 01-21-2007, 07:37 PM
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i guess i just feel that there are a few things that the feds should be able to do without the oversight of the general public. hopefully the operations like this one that go on under our nose dont do harm to our rights. i cant see where this particular operation could hurt my rights or freedoms. unless there is something that we dont know about it. they have no intentions of taking my guns, or hurting any of my other rights.

im fairly conservative, and i am usually argueing your side of the coin, but this time it just seems harmless to me and anyone else who isnt trying to help a terrorist..... i just cannot imagine that the feds dont have about 15 other such op's along these same lines. i fear what the lib-dems have up their sleeve for us in these next 5 years, more than anything coming out of the "men-in-black" division of the special ops. i really hope im not off base too far on this...

how far off topic can we get in the general forum??? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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