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He said not to shoot his steel

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Unread 09-17-2007, 07:07 PM
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500 is nothing to those gun. Just check these craters on a 3/4" steel made by a lowly 308 at 535 yards. But then again the bullet is the notorious 155 grain Scenar.

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Unread 09-17-2007, 09:49 PM
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...hmm , I wonder if my 7RemMag with 139SST heavyMag ammo would make holes??? Pretty awesome what you shot there.

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Unread 09-18-2007, 09:43 AM
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LOL, I guess you guys must have some sort of understanding. . . I'd be disappointed in my guests if they shot up something I asked them not to shoot at . . .

Anyway, that Smiley must be cold/hot-rolled sheet steel . . . almost anything "high velocity" will likely burn right through that stuff . . . I'd bet a Hornet would drive one through at close range . . .

T-1 is usually considered bare minimum for steel targets, and AR-500 is much better. Even with AR-500, those "notorious Scenars" (empty nose cone makes a shape charge?) still leave a pockmark, as will a .223 or similar at closer ranges, but the normal rifle rounds simply vaporize upon hitting it. Even a .338 Lapua does not permanently damage my 3/8" AR-500 targets from 500 or so on out. It knocks flakes of paint off the back, but the metal springs back with no real damage. After beating it awhile, it may take on a little bit of a bow or dish shape, but turning it around and shooting the back of it will bend it back again eventually.

Here are a few pieces of 3/8" thick AR-500 with multiple hits from 6.5-284, .308 and .300WinMag (210 Bergers) and no damage that a quick paint touch-up won't completely cure:

The center target is 3/4" piece of T-1 . . .

The bullets basically go to dust on the surface hardened plate, and our biggest fragments (within 1,000-1,100 yards) normally look like this:

Here is a piece of (softer) T-1, shot from the same range. You can see it's about "borderline" hardness, since some bullets left permanent craters while others just fragged:

All of these materials are substantially harder than cold-rolled or hot-rolled plate.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Unread 09-19-2007, 11:22 AM
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Ya know you shouldn't be ticking potential customers off by swiss cheezing their gongs!!!

Mild steel plate and the AMs certainly do not play well together. He needs to get himself some AR500 plate. Much lighter and much better for gongs, pretty AM friendly as well.

Good shooting by the way.

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Unread 09-21-2007, 12:35 AM
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He said don't shoot his steel - Ha!


Nice title to your thread! Gave me quite a chuckle... Good shoot'in.

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Unread 09-21-2007, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Fiftydriver View Post

He needs to get himself some AR500 plate.

Kirby Allen(50)

Or a welding machine,so he can weld up the holes........
range it,check the wind, dial in correction, aim and only one shot
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Unread 09-21-2007, 12:39 PM
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SS7MM ID LIKE TO SEE A 169.5 vld rbbt in comparission to those...one day ill have my 270AM....but those Accubonds would put a hurtin on a 500 yard whitetail! Ive got a box and brass no gun yet.... yall gettin me fired up again!

I do have my food plots ready and ole faitful Sendero dialed up but im itchin for my AM!

And you did ok! id shoot a hole outa the center of my buds plates! just for the fun of it!
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