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Unread 05-07-2006, 08:54 AM
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Interesting article, some politicans will not admit that criminals will procure guns illegaly or so it seems.We have plenty of gun laws already they just must be hard to inforce??? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Not hard to enforce,they cant hold guns if they have no hands. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms -Samuel Adams
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Unread 05-07-2006, 09:17 AM
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Ice Sniper, We have plenty of land over here in NC. Nice weather, beaches and scenery at the beaches. Come on over.
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Unread 05-07-2006, 10:41 AM
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I am not going to get into the gun control issues here in the UK otherwise i shall start ranting, but i cannot possibley see how becoming a police officer can have any effect on a governments gun control policy.

I pressume you are or were a serving police officer, then let me ask you how you would feel as a citizen and police officer about dissarming your fellow citizens and countrymen under orders from your government? which may mean in the worst scenario using terminal force.

This task was enforced by the police Here in the UK under threat of a jail sentence, if you did not comply, because of gun licensing a tactical firearms team could ascend on your home in the early hours because they had your address!
Luckily no one was stupid??/brave?? enough to resist the dissarmement, i dont think this would be the case in the USA.

There are some fine officers in this country but i think there are lot more who enjoy enforceing the law.
The police in this country swear allegiance to the crown not the people like in a Republic.

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Unread 05-07-2006, 11:58 AM
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Center Punch , my point was that here in the US once you have been through school and you have your commision your government qualified to own and carry a weapon as your badge and commitment to protect and serve is with you on duty or not.
I have no problem disarming anybody that has not had proper training and does not legaly own a weapon. I have taken weapons away from people that had the legal right to own them and had bought them legaly the problem was that they were doing somthing stupid with them , shooting in an unsafe direction , flashing the weapon around in public or somthing else that they had no buisness doing. I turn the gun in and when it goes to court I make a recomendation to the judge that the gun not be given back untill that person has had a proper fire arms train class.

It still baffels me that you can't buy a hunting permit without haveing first been through a huntersafety education class yet any other mud for brains mutant can walk into a sporting goods stor and buy a gun , no questions on education or experiance , it makes me sick!!

I'm not up to date on the rules and regs in the UK as far as being a reserve officer but maybe you chould check into it. I woulden't give up y commision for anything , it allows me to carry my weapon legaly and it allows me to have some cool toys , (happiness is an MP-5) and it helps keep my eyes open to the troubles that are overlooked.
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Unread 05-07-2006, 02:46 PM
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In the scenarios that you described it was your duty to dissarm these people, what i am talking about is the moral issue, if your government decides to go against your constitutional rights to bear arms and decides on mass dissarmement of the people.

Here in Britain if you are a retired or reserve police officer or reserve military personal you have no right to carry a firearm unless it is for sporting purposes and then only at approved ranges or land for which the landowner has given permission and the authorities have cleared this land as a safe zone.

This does not include pistols and revolvers which are banned from all apart government agencies (police,security forces etc,)and knackermen.

Serving police officers are only allowed to carry guns after extensive training and then only as part of a tactical firearms unit whilst on duty.

It is however legal for all our Members of Parliament to carry concealed handguns when they conduct their ministerial duties.
An across the floor shoot out on a dissagreement, Now would'nt that be something "Gunfight at the Houses of Parliament" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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