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Great factory accuracy guarantee!!! or not...

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Old 07-19-2006, 03:01 PM
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Re: Great factory accuracy guarantee!!! or not...

yep, it had all the approprate twisty stuff in there... the throat is so long I can only reach it with bullets that are so heavy (read long) that the twist won't stabalize them
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Old 07-19-2006, 03:55 PM
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Re: Great factory accuracy guarantee!!! or not...

I undertand you didn't ask for advice but just wanted to describe a real piece of junk. Nonetheless you might try the lightest bullets available in the caliber with a flat base and make sure the load is light (low pressure). Also switch to cool primers to slwo down ignition. This trick worked on the chaepest bolt actioon rifle ever sold. For the first time in its life I got sub MOA groups. Now why anybody wants to shoot a 40 gr bullet at 3200 fps out of a 225 Win when they have a 17 rem going 3850 under 0.5MOA is a different subject. Basic idea is to take stress off of the action by light bullets and light loads. It pretty much takes a worthless bad shooting gun and makes it into a worthless good shooting gun.
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Old 07-19-2006, 04:27 PM
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I tried 55gr noslers over varget (ccibr), H414(cci200, and fed215mag) and N135 (ccibr and fed210) all to no avail. the h414 with federal mag primers shot best of those. I loaded both the varget and H414 light enough to smoke the shoulder, the 414 sucked at anything under top loads and the varget didn't make any differance... it sucked either way. Now, regaurdless, suck is suck, and better is relative when even better is in the 2" area. The best performer was 414 with speer 70gr moly tnts over fed215s... but again... 1.9 isn't even remotely reasonable for a varmint gun. I figure you could be confidentwith headshots on pdogs at 40yds of so.

I seriously considered sending it back initially, but after a while its kinda like... well... this one time I was frameing a wall in the barn, and the day had gone great. I was flying throught the job. Then on literally the last nail of the day I managed to smash the heck out of my thumb, and bend the nail. After I finished jumping up and down, I decided that nail was going into that board weather it liked it or not! I know it took several tweaks to straighten out, and several more bends, and straightings (if thats a word) along the way, but that nail is still in the north wall of our barn. Somewhere around the 4th ladder I shot with this gun, I decided I was going to make it shoot dadgumit!! WEll.. turns out not. I guess I could get the sledgehammer out of the garrage and make a good tomato stake out of it [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Im still open to ideas I suppose, but the time for pondering has ended in terms of handloading. Either it will come back and shoot well to start, or ill find a more suitable use for it. A lamp maybe?
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Old 07-19-2006, 11:05 PM
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Re: Great factory accuracy guarantee!!! or not...

My dad got a new Savage 12BVSS 243 last week. I bedded the rifle from the lug to the mag cutout, bedded the Farrel base, cleaned, JB'd the bore, and mounted a 8.5-25 LeoLRT on it. Then he did a one shot and clean breakin procedure for ten rounds, bore is smoothing up but needs a little more JB treatment. 2 shots at 25 for sightin, a three shot at 100 under 3/4, adjusted scope next three touching and last two touching about 1/2 inch above the other 3. This is with complete cleaning happening after each shot.
It shows promise. Load was a case full of old 4831 he wants to burn up, 75 grain bullets I think, loaded in new bulk win brass that was not resized but was trimmed and chamfered, bullets seated in lands.

Very similar experience with my 25-06 112BVSS. The last time I aimed at 100yd paper with it, it put the last six shots in the same oval hole. Now it is used to kill woodchucks, and it does that real well near or far.

Personally I'd have it rebarreled, send the original 5-7moa targets taped to the barrel along with a target from the new barrel, back to the company and tell them to stick it up,,,,,and I would probably include a Savage brochure and a note to call them if they had any questions......

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Old 07-20-2006, 04:17 AM
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Re: Great factory accuracy guarantee!!! or not...

I'm prettye sure you have already done this but check your crown , a small nick in the crown will produce groups like this.

And if it is a Savage , pull the barrel and borrow sombody eleses that shoots and see what happens , if it straiten's out then you klnow the problem is from a bad barrel if it presist then you know its in the action.

If I had a barrel here I mail it to ya. I personaly have never seen a Savage that was this bad but thats not saying their not out their.

but check you basics first , loose bases , bad scope , loose barrel , bad crown , poorly cut throat , bad scope , I got a gun back from having it rebarreld one time buy a smith thats name is common in the LR world and it would not group any better than 4" at 100yds , I had mounted a brand new out of the box Leupold scope on it so "it coulden't have been the scope" wrong the scope was bad , the smith asked me to try another so I did and the first three out of the barrel went under 1/2" with a load from the book.
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Old 07-20-2006, 08:14 AM
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The crown looks good... its a recessed target style crown, no dings or scratches at all. cosmettically, Ican't find anything wrong with it. Its not a savage product as I mentioned above... but if it does not come back with a dramatic improvement, it will certanly be replaced by one.
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Old 07-20-2006, 11:24 AM
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I have a 700 LSS 30-06 that would do no better than 2" with any load. It was then pillar bedded and floated and later cryo'd and still no better. According to Remington, that was just fine. I rebarreled to a Shilen match #5 taper 30-06AI and it now shoots 1/2". I usually have very good luck with Remington barrels. You get a lemon every once in a while. I feel your pain, man.
I would sell the gun and show some groups from the best loads (being honest in mentioning the less than stellar accuracy)--some guys don't care since they are ready to hunt if they hit a 5 gallon bucket at 50 yds.
Alternatively, bite the bullet and send it off to one of the smiths here on LRH to have it worked over.
Good luck, Sam
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