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Old 07-25-2008, 01:49 PM
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what we disagree is on what is actually 'rude' and what is the inevitible consequence of right hand ejecting weapons.

All I am saying is it happens. You can be childish and act like some high and mighty range god that has suffered some offence from the lower life forms, or you can be realistic.

Sounds like a case of pure snobbery to me. "how dare they intrude on my REAL shooting with their plinking and hot brass". That's just wannabe snobs at work. We share the range. Ask them to watch their brass- or.....spend your time whining on an internet forum that someone else dared share a range you were taking up about half of by your own admission.

Heck I shoot on the public range here- up the side of a mountain, with a few lanes to service everyone from hardcore hunters, townies that just cleared out a pawn shop, plastic gun bunnies, gangbangers, and everyone else. You get to a point of tolerance of your fellow man, warts and all.

Not that I don't have my pet peeves for a range. I just don't get on the net to whine about the people insisting on shooting pistols at targets 15 feet away- at the 100 meter range. Or people blasting the paint off the trucks parked with ear shattering muzzle brakes that pick the busiest time of day to unleash ear damaging volume on everyone. If I did find it so hard to be around other people enjoying themselves, I'd set up my own range somewhere.

As for brass taking out scopes and nonsense. Yeah, and what if......what if that other guy is really the target of alien abductions and their teleport beam warps your scope lens......about as likely.

See, I know hot brass down the collar sucks and all. But it's your tone that even made me want to reply to this thread. That high horse that only comes when someone totally dismisses someone else as less worthy for whatever reason. So they had high capacity weapons, high ejection angles- you could always move to another part of the half of the range you admit to taking up. When I am first on a range I have no problem taking up as much space as I want. But when others get there OUT OF COURTESY I pull up and give up space. If you could have been bothered to use less than half a range as your personal space, then shifting over oh, what, one lane would have put you out of harms way of evil falling brass and this entire thread wouldn't exist.

It's that simple really.
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Old 07-25-2008, 07:43 PM
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I have a question for you folks that think that GG was wrong here.

You are stopped on the shoulder of a gravel road with your reasonably new truck, and you are glassing some antelope on public property.

1) A trucker rounds the corner and kicks up some stones that hit your truck;

2) Someone with a hot rod stops to see what you are up to, and when he leaves, he "burns out" kicking stones on your truck.

The results are the same, but the question is do you acknowledge that the "hot rodder" CAUSED this damage at least somewhat intentionally vs the trucker accidentally causing damage?

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Old 07-25-2008, 10:03 PM
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See, I know hot brass down the collar sucks and all. But it's your tone that even made me want to reply to this thread. That high horse that only comes when someone totally dismisses someone else as less worthy for whatever reason. So they had high capacity weapons, high ejection angles- you could always move to another part of the half of the range you admit to taking up. When I am first on a range I have no problem taking up as much space as I want. But when others get there OUT OF COURTESY I pull up and give up space. If you could have been bothered to use less than half a range as your personal space, then shifting over oh, what, one lane would have put you out of harms way of evil falling brass and this entire thread wouldn't exist.

It's that simple really.

It sounds like you're trying hard to justify ejecting brass on others at the range when there is no justification and no excuse. Somebody using three benches doesn't excuse it. Someone having expensive equipment doesn't justify it. Someone taking up a bench for 60 minutes adjusting their gear doesn't give the green light. Nothing GG said or did in his post or at the range excuse it. As has been mentioned, you're responsible for your ejected brass.

You're telling us if we all agree to conduct ourselves as you believe proper at the range, then we won't create any problems for you (or range users who agree with you); problems that you (or range users who agree with you) could point to as a justification to eject your empties on others at the range.

And you're inferring that when the semi-autos start to unload their brass on others, that we're obliged to leave our bench to make room for them. How about them being responsible, or patient, or whatever it takes to understand that they're responsible for their weapon and damages or injuries they cause with it, such that they ensure their use of the range doesn't physically affect other range users.

I don't see this much different than what happened to a guy I knew that while fishing, hooked an adjacent fisherman in the scalp. The hooked fisherman got identification from the guy that hooked him, went to the hospital to have the hook removed, called his lawyer and pressed for financial compensation. The fellow who hooked the adjacent fisherman in the head... his insurance company agreed that he was liable and compensated the fisherman that got hooked. It didn't matter if the guy he hooked was standing 2 feet away or 15 feet away. He was responsible for his hook ending up in the other guy's scalp. No excuses. No justifications. It required a cash payment to compensate for the hospital bills, pain & suffering, lost opportunities during a vacation, and whatever else the attorney dreamed up. You can throw out excuses until you turn blue in the face. Your brass hits someone in the eye, you'll most likely be found responsible by a judge or jury of your "peers" in this country. And your opinions to the contrary won't mean a thing. The only opinions that will matter are a judges, or the majority of a jury (in spite of buzzgun's feelings about majority opinions, they do matter.) So if you're gonna carry an attitude to the range, at least make sure your homeowner's insurance is paid up.
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Old 07-27-2008, 10:32 AM
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It sounds like you're trying hard to justify ejecting brass on others at the range when there is no justification and no excuse. Somebody using three benches doesn't excuse it. Someone having expensive equipment doesn't justify it. Someone taking up a bench for 60 minutes adjusting their gear doesn't give the green light. Nothing GG said or did in his post or at the range excuse it. As has been mentioned, you're responsible for your ejected brass.

You're telling us if we all agree to conduct ourselves as you believe proper at the range, then we won't create any problems for you (or range users who agree with you); problems that you (or range users who agree with you) could point to as a justification to eject your empties on others at the range.

And you're inferring that when the semi-autos start to unload their brass on others, that we're obliged to leave our bench to make room for them. How about them being responsible, or patient, or whatever it takes to understand that they're responsible for their weapon and damages or injuries they cause with it, such that they ensure their use of the range doesn't physically affect other range users.

I don't see this much different than what happened to a guy I knew that while fishing, hooked an adjacent fisherman in the scalp. The hooked fisherman got identification from the guy that hooked him, went to the hospital to have the hook removed, called his lawyer and pressed for financial compensation. The fellow who hooked the adjacent fisherman in the head... his insurance company agreed that he was liable and compensated the fisherman that got hooked. It didn't matter if the guy he hooked was standing 2 feet away or 15 feet away. He was responsible for his hook ending up in the other guy's scalp. No excuses. No justifications. It required a cash payment to compensate for the hospital bills, pain & suffering, lost opportunities during a vacation, and whatever else the attorney dreamed up. You can throw out excuses until you turn blue in the face. Your brass hits someone in the eye, you'll most likely be found responsible by a judge or jury of your "peers" in this country. And your opinions to the contrary won't mean a thing. The only opinions that will matter are a judges, or the majority of a jury (in spite of buzzgun's feelings about majority opinions, they do matter.) So if you're gonna carry an attitude to the range, at least make sure your homeowner's insurance is paid up.


Right on Phorwath. I don't understand why people like the sorrylama can't read for one thing and also defend discourteousness and lack of safety. It seems like a simple thing to respect others property and safety but some folks just can't handle it.

Regardless of what these ignorant people say, I know and they know that if I were to show up with a brass slinger and spit brass at them and their equipment, they wouldn't like it either no matter what they say here in the comfort of their own little internet world. Face to face, I hope they would act a little more grown-up. If not, I would send them home and as range officer, I would have the law on my side to do so.
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Old 07-27-2008, 11:37 AM
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There were fewer rude people a few decades ago, because rude behavior was not tolerated and it was a good way to get your running lights punched out...

Watch Lonesome Dove, and Capt. Call's quote rang true in the day "rudeness in a man, just wont tolerate it". Capt. Call made that statement after justly and thoroughly kicking a rude mans Azz
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Old 07-27-2008, 01:34 PM
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I was at the range one time last summer and had a similar experience. I got there and took one of the open benches that were available and started shooting. While I was shooting a couple of guys came and went on both sides of me. I was just concentrating on sending a round down range at a target and all of the sudden I got hit right in the side of the face, while I was in process of shooting, by a hot-hot piece of brass that got ejected from a guys gun that sat two benches to the left of me. It pizzed me off so badly I got up and gathered up all of my stuff and tore out of there like nobody's buisness. The bad thing was, I felt bad about it because of the way I reacted. I don't like getting hit in the face with anything, let alone a hot piece of brass and not to mention when I am in process of shooting. A little courtasy can go a long ways in keeping somewhat of a peaceful state at the range.
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