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The Best Overall 1000 yard Long Range Varmint Cartridge

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Unread 08-27-2007, 10:35 PM
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Why is brass selection such an important factor? look at all the cartridges that lapua and norma dont make brass for and still shoot just as good if not better than the ones that they do make it for. as sombody already mention cost. if you go with lapua or norma brass that defeats your perpose.

the only problem i see with the 6mm for varmiting is how many wounded animals are you going to have? whats the retained energy of the 6x284 @1000 with 105 VLD???

my vote also goes for the 338 edge. or some other accurate magnum. put a good break on it and your good to go. plus you know you will get the "red mist factor" and put them down for good with a less percentage of run offs.

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Unread 08-28-2007, 10:57 AM
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Couple points.

You can rule out any of the 22s for 1000 yard work unless you go with the very fast twist 1-6.5 or 7 twist barrels shooting the 80-90 gr bullets which are not varmint bullets. The 22 for long range limits your bullet selection and short range effectiveness. Now, 22s at 500-600 yards, they make great varmint calibers.

IMO a barrel burner (6-284 in particular) is not a cost effective long range varmint gun IF you shoot a lot. The barrels in the 6.5-284 last 800-to max 1200 rds, and the 6mm even less. new barrel installed is $500-600.

Great shooting guns require 3 things. very good bullets, very good barrels and very good brass.

Best brass (most common) in order is RWS, Lapua, Norma, Nosler, Federal GM, Federal, Win and finally Rem.

Guys have worn out 2-3 barrels with 50 pieces of RWS brass. Now that is cost effectiveness and top shooting all in one.

take the 6mm AI, buy RWS brass ($1.00-1.50 ea) in 7mm neck down and neck turn. the brass will outlast the gun, same velocity as 6-284 and not a noted barrel burner. That will normally mean 1/3 more barrel life or about $200 savings every year to two years.

Necking down, boy that is tough, that takes about 5 minutes for 100 pieces.

Neck turning, about 1 hr for same 100 pieces.

Now compare that to time spent weighting, sorting and measuring other less uniform brass that lasts 25% as long maybe.

Cheaper many times means less effective and more costly in the long run.

Now if your varmint hunting is 1000 rounds in a day at a Pdog town, then buy the cheap stuff and cheapest barrels as you will need a new barrel when done anyway.

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Unread 08-28-2007, 02:08 PM
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BH, what orginial cartridge are you using to make the 6mmAI? you have striked my interest.

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Unread 08-28-2007, 06:46 PM
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I am not BH but...

7x57 norma would work. I see RWS list the 7x57 and also a 5.6x57. I am not sure how they run for neck thickness but you might be able to neck up and not even have to turn them??? necking down and turning would obviously give you a better chance to fit necks.

If your not going to get into all the match prep and reload procedures brass manufacturer probably makes less of a difference. What size groups are you looking for at 1000?
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Unread 08-28-2007, 09:28 PM
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Where to find RWS brass?
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Unread 08-28-2007, 09:44 PM
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Natchez shooting supply, Midway USA or a google search.........NOT EBAY...sorry
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Unread 08-28-2007, 11:40 PM
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Bunterhunter, excellent points. I guess you just have to pick your poison.

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