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Old 08-02-2005, 10:28 AM
 
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Re: Back-up Bear Gun

Hang on guys, I thought we were talking about back-up weapons aside from rifles.

My Primary would be either 458 lott or my 338 lapua depending on the terrain, distance, etc.

I would want one of the guys with me to have a 10 or 12ga pump. I would have a 500 S&W as a side arm.

Varmint Hunter, I believe he was talking about grizz. I live and hunt in black bear country and during bow season I've been on the ground and had them within 20 yards of me. I had one last year come out to my left and start walking right towards me. I just swayed a little to let him see and he turned and fled.

The thing with black bears, similar to grizz, is that you don't want to walk thru the thick stuff and startle them.
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Old 08-02-2005, 05:29 PM
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Re: Back-up Bear Gun

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big Kodiak Brown Bears

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Any startled bear is a receipt for a deadly encounter. If you are'nt looking for an encounter just make enough noise as you travel and wear some of your wife's perfume for good measure. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 08-02-2005, 05:35 PM
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Re: Back-up Bear Gun

chanel No.5 should be enough the scare the bear away by itself [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 08-03-2005, 12:38 AM
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Re: Back-up Bear Gun

I guess shot placement would have to be taken into consideration. I don't think I could run, while shaking and crying, and hit a charging bear!! I guess the buddy system would be the best way. Man, that would be scary!!
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Old 08-03-2005, 08:08 PM
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Re: Back-up Bear Gun

Well being as you got time on your hands and probably need more bad advice, here is some of the things I looked at for camping alone in Grizzley territory. First of all I am a notoriously bad shot with a hand gun so the usual suspects of 44Mag, 50Ae and 50SW are not my first choices. I really would like the Deseart Eagle in all three calibers and then carry the 50AE. DE's do not have a sterling record with handloads and you need a full metal jacket. A double action pistol is quick (no slide to jack) and reliable. Once the bear is trying to get into the tent you got major problems in my mind.

Another favorite is the M4 in 25WSM or 6.8 loaded with FMJs in a banana clip and a flashlight attachment. When you get up to go out and pee in the middle of the night you need something substantial in your hand (no not that thing it may be big but the bear is not afraid of it). To do the M4 up right so it is legal and you got the neessary firepower you will have to pay about $500 for a submachine gun license and short barrel weapon license or something. I do not exactly know how much damage a clip of 25WSM FMJ will do to a bear but I assure you no bear will ever forget it when I get through with him even if I am reincarnated as a bear scat.

As you will notice, when it is my life at stake I want FMJs. Break bones and break bones and break bones.

Now then, What do I know about bears? Totally nothing.

I have file after file on different types of bear guns in my computer and it seems to me that the handgun is always on you and ready any time you need it. The most reasonable option is that when I retire to get a small handgun to practice with and a large one to carry into the back woods. As I said I really want a DE even though my hands are not very big.

If you can get an M4 to the range then try it and see what you think about it if it was in a heavier caliber. Could you hold it down? Remember you are going to be about 15 feet or less when you go to full rock and roll and if you are in your tent you dont want to be shooting yourself too much of the time.

Just a little lite humor on a Wednesday night.
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:32 PM
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Re: Back-up Bear Gun

here are some of my thoughts and experiments on the topic.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/viewtopic.php?t=80434
If you are up against 1000lbs Grizzlies, then bigger is better.

Jerry
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Old 08-04-2005, 02:59 AM
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Re: Back-up Bear Gun

Knappy,
Just so you know, I've seen a 10+ brownie taken with one shot with a 45 win mag. He was using 320 grain cast rounds and hit the ol' boy in the noggin. Personally, I am not that comfortable with a pistol. The 45 win mag is ballistically in between the 44 and the 454. All I can say is go for the nervous system and break bones. Hope this helps.
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