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The Army is looking for a rifle to replace the m16

 
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Old 02-05-2011, 09:05 AM
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Re: The Army is looking for a rifle to replace the m16

I under the difficulty that with having more than one rifle presents but look at how many
different Missiles, bombs,rockets,tank rounds,artillery shells that we have and use for
specific purposes.

If a bomb doesent do its job the bad guy lives. If a rifle doesn't do it's job a good guy dies.

It seems simple to me give the soldier what he needs for the mission. The soldier is smarter
than they think and can use more than one weapon.

There will always be disagreement over what the soldier should have. Let him chose from one
of several weapons and place his life back in his hands.

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Re: The Army is looking for a rifle to replace the m16

Compared to both the 5.56Nato and the 7.62Nato how well would a .270 work as a military cartridge?
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Compared to both the 5.56Nato and the 7.62Nato how well would a .270 work as a military cartridge?
Just fine, but no better than what they already have in 308 and 300WM, so it's really just academic.
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Re: The Army is looking for a rifle to replace the m16

A complex topic here, and one with a lot of answers, depending on how the question's framed. Bottom line (in my opinion, anyway) is, whatever replaces the 5.56x45 round is quite some time away, and probably won't be recognizable as "ammunition" as we know it now. Directed energy perhaps, but certainly not a cased kinetic energy projectile like the 5.56 or 7.62. Could be something like the "smart" ammo now being used in the next gen 20 and 25mm rounds, computer controlled via input from the targeting system in the weapon itself, done automatically at the moment of firing, that sort of thing. Caseless perhaps? Various army's have been heading in that direction for a long time now, and the West German's were set to adopt a caseless round right before the reunification and the fall of the wall back in '89.

The issue of replacing the 5.56mm with the 7.62, the 6.8 SPC, or any of a host of others has already been asked and answered; ain't gonna happen. Improvements in the ammunitiion itself, including improved projectiles, improvements in propellants, and the platforms themselves (M4 from the M16 family, the specialized DMR's, etc.) is what will happen, at least for the foreseeable future. While I have no doubt that the M14s will conitune to see use in some specific roles, there's no way it'll ever come back to replace the black rifles. It can't, and it shouldn't anyway. We're talking about technolgy that's some 70 years old now, and isn't really competitive any longer.

One of the problems with discussions like this is that it's taking place on a board populated by shooters. The army, unfortunately, isn't. They don't train 98% of the troops on anything farther than 300 meter targets, and even thee are pop-ups, not KD firing that actually teaches them something about marksmanship. I hate to say that, but it's a fact. The marines at least still teach out to 500 meters, and indoctrinate their troops with some degree of reverence for marksmanship. Until there's a shift in the attitude of the military's leadership about the importance of individual marksmanship, the theoretical performance of a given cartridge at 5 or 600 meters is a moot point, and little more than good thread starter.
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"SMART ROUNDS" Kevin I dont think so. If your right I will find this post and eat my words. The ARMY already set a dead line for the project 3 years from not and no caiber restriction.
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Did I miss something here? Just a few posts back you said the 5.56 wouldn't be replaced, and I concur with that, at least for the foreseeable future. My point was, whatever DOES replace it, will be something radically different, like the smart rounds already being developed. The system I've seen was primarily a replacement for the M2 .50 BMG, but it's been mounted on individual weapons with 5.56mm coaxial capabilities as well. But a complete caliber shift away from the 5.56, especially within the next 3 years? Can't happen, the military doesn't move that fast. There's some other stuff in the works right now, but they're specialized SOCOM types of projects, not general issue stuff. Some product improvement rounds like better projectiles or propellants, I'll buy that, but that's a minor improvement, not a complete caliber shift.
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Did I miss something here? Just a few posts back you said the 5.56 wouldn't be replaced, and I concur with that, at least for the foreseeable future. My point was, whatever DOES replace it, will be something radically different, like the smart rounds already being developed. The system I've seen was primarily a replacement for the M2 .50 BMG, but it's been mounted on individual weapons with 5.56mm coaxial capabilities as well. But a complete caliber shift away from the 5.56, especially within the next 3 years? Can't happen, the military doesn't move that fast. There's some other stuff in the works right now, but they're specialized SOCOM types of projects, not general issue stuff. Some product improvement rounds like better projectiles or propellants, I'll buy that, but that's a minor improvement, not a complete caliber shift.
No I think we are saying the same thing. I do not think they will replace the 5.56. I'm with you on upgrading the bullets etc. I was saying the ARMY has not set a caliber restriction for the project. I guess that means if someone has something better their all ears. I would think with who you work for you know alot more than me anyhow.

I know the M2 replacment of which you speek one bad ass mother! I guess I feel we are still 15 to 20 years away from putting a weapon in the hands of the war fighter that utilizes the tech like that of the m25 that is man portable and sustainable. I was with 2ID in Iraq while they where testing the future warrior so I suppose I am using my experience with that as a basis for my thoughts.
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