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Unread 09-19-2015, 06:47 PM
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7mm08 vs 6.5 creedmore

I know this has been discussed before but everything I have read seems to always turn out the same, people get off topic and the issue never honestly seems to get truly resolved or people just start throwing other clamberings into the mix, this is an honest to god good question I have and hopefully everyone will stay on topic. So here's my issue, I shoot steel quite regularly at 1000 yards, I do so with a 20" barrel 5r mils pec Remington in 308 Winchester shooting 175gr Sierra match kings, I'm getting ready to build an m40a5 clone, I've always liked the idea of using something with the 308 parent case but with bullets of a much higher bc, especially the 7mm variety, I know the velocitys I'll get with a 25" tube will be slower in 7mm08 than they would be with a 6.5 creedmore but the difference in bc helps to make up for that a great deal, the 7mm bore should give a bit longer barrel life as well compared to a 6.5mm. As for bullets, swamp works has a 168gr with a published bc of .690 (probably a bit optimistic) and there's always the 162gr amax at .625 and to round it out, the Berger 168gr at .617 I think. Now with a 25" tube (24 from the front of the recoil lug) I should be able to push them to 2600-2650 without any undue pressures I would think plus there's the fact lapua has come out with 7mm08 brass now which raised my eyebrow even higher. Now my question is, why on gods green earth don't we see or hear of more people shooting the 7mm08? Is it not as inherently accurate? It shouldn't be any harder on barrels than the vast majority of 6.5mm offerings, almost all major companies have bullets with very respectable bc's. So what gives? Sure the 6.5 mm may have a slightly and I do mean very slightly flatter trajectory out to 1000 yards but who cares when you've been shooting that far with a weak kneed, snub nose 308 that's already having to shoot over a 2 story house to get there, either will be a vast improvement in both drop and drift than the 308 for sure, so, is there anything wrong with the 7mm8?
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Unread 09-19-2015, 09:24 PM
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Re: 7mm08 vs 6.5 creedmore

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I know this has been discussed before but everything I have read seems to always turn out the same, people get off topic and the issue never honestly seems to get truly resolved or people just start throwing other clamberings into the mix, this is an honest to god good question I have and hopefully everyone will stay on topic. So here's my issue, I shoot steel quite regularly at 1000 yards, I do so with a 20" barrel 5r mils pec Remington in 308 Winchester shooting 175gr Sierra match kings, I'm getting ready to build an m40a5 clone, I've always liked the idea of using something with the 308 parent case but with bullets of a much higher bc, especially the 7mm variety, I know the velocitys I'll get with a 25" tube will be slower in 7mm08 than they would be with a 6.5 creedmore but the difference in bc helps to make up for that a great deal, the 7mm bore should give a bit longer barrel life as well compared to a 6.5mm. As for bullets, swamp works has a 168gr with a published bc of .690 (probably a bit optimistic) and there's always the 162gr amax at .625 and to round it out, the Berger 168gr at .617 I think. Now with a 25" tube (24 from the front of the recoil lug) I should be able to push them to 2600-2650 without any undue pressures I would think plus there's the fact lapua has come out with 7mm08 brass now which raised my eyebrow even higher. Now my question is, why on gods green earth don't we see or hear of more people shooting the 7mm08? Is it not as inherently accurate? It shouldn't be any harder on barrels than the vast majority of 6.5mm offerings, almost all major companies have bullets with very respectable bc's. So what gives? Sure the 6.5 mm may have a slightly and I do mean very slightly flatter trajectory out to 1000 yards but who cares when you've been shooting that far with a weak kneed, snub nose 308 that's already having to shoot over a 2 story house to get there, either will be a vast improvement in both drop and drift than the 308 for sure, so, is there anything wrong with the 7mm8?
The 7/08 is a very good 1000 yard cartridge and has won many long range matches. David Tubbs won many 1000 yard High power matches until he developed his own 6.5.

Now days the trend is to shoot bigger cartridges and custom cartridges (Wild Cats) but that does not mean that the 7/08 is not up to the task.

It is a very accurate round and capable of long shots on game. It is also a very popular round for bolt action pistols for hunting 400 to 600 yards.

I also bought some of 7/08 Lapua brass, And it is awesome and seems to have improved the accuracy and consistency.

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Unread 09-19-2015, 10:42 PM
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Re: 7mm08 vs 6.5 creedmore

I had no idea David tubb used it competitively, for that matter I couldn't ever find where anyone had ever used it competitively, it makes perfect sense to me but I guess people just tend to roll with whatever's trendy without much though to what's available, the thought of it always made sense to me.
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Re: 7mm08 vs 6.5 creedmore

Now before anyone thinks I'm bashing the 6.5 creedmore, you couldn't be farther from the truth, I believe every cartridge has its place, in fact I'm not even saying the 7mm08 is better, I just don't understand why you don't see more people utilizing the 7mm08.
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Re: 7mm08 vs 6.5 creedmore

I also asked why we don't see more 708s in PR style comps, and the common answer was recoil compared to a 6.5mm. With 7mm needing at least 168gn bullets for best results at 1k, recoil then becomes similar to a 308. I love my 708 and have confidence in it. Although I have little experience with a 6.5, they are definitely the favourite right now. But I agree, you should get good barrel life out of your 7mm.
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Re: 7mm08 vs 6.5 creedmore

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I had no idea David tubb used it competitively, for that matter I couldn't ever find where anyone had ever used it competitively, it makes perfect sense to me but I guess people just tend to roll with whatever's trendy without much though to what's available, the thought of it always made sense to me.

When I shot High power, David and his whole family were the ones to beat. David quietly switched to the 7/08 when all the rest of us used the 308. with the close appearance of the 7/08 to the 308
no one noticed for several years(It was legal but everyone was convinced that the 308 was the ticket.

After his success with the 7/08 he built his own match rifle and it was a 6.5 for better ballistics and less recoil as mentioned. Lots of people still did not notice the change from 7/08 to the 6.5.

I am a big fan of the 6.5 for all of the reason mentioned but for hunting, the 7/08 will out perform the 6.5s in similar sized cases (308). the 6.5s with bigger cases are a different story and cannot be compared to the 308 based 7/08 cartridge just like the larger 7 mm cases should not be compared to the 7/08.

Recoil is relative to the weight of a rifle, so a 7/08 that weighs 1 pound more than a 6.5 (260 rem)
will be about the same as long as the bullets of the 6.5 are lighter.(With the same ballistic coefficient)

The point is, there are lots of good choices for hunting and target shooting and the 7/08 is one of them. In fact, it is one of my favorite white tail cartridges in both rifle and pistol.

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Re: 7mm08 vs 6.5 creedmore

Well that's very good to know, I did manage to find this on YouTube, guy makes some very valid points and I thought I would share it with others one here. Forgive the title of title of the video lol
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