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.444 vs 45-70 vs 30-30

 
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:44 AM
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.444 vs 45-70 vs 30-30

I'm looking at getting one of these three calibers but I'm unsure what to get. I will be using it for pigs and goats in thick bush and thick swamp, I'm also thinking of putting a red dot sight or should I leave it open sight or do you have other optic ideas I'm not keen on a magnification scope. Iv shot a 30-30 before but I haven't shot a .444 or a 45-70. I'm leaning towards the .444 I'm not to keen on the 30-30 but i thought I'd see what advice use could give me.
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:18 AM
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Re: .444 vs 45-70 vs 30-30

I've got a 444 it's probably the only reason i've never bought a 45/70 that i've always kind of wanted. It's a fun caliber to shoot. I shoot the Hornady 265 flat nose bullets. I've never taken anything with it past 225 yds.(mostly whitetail) That's with open sights. Get a JM not a REM. The REM's are junk. Getting s JM means buying used.
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:03 AM
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Re: .444 vs 45-70 vs 30-30

I like the .444, I've had lot's of fun with a 45-70, but prefer a bit more case capacity with a .458 to go with generally heavier bullets. If one can be found a Model 94 is a bit handier in .444. I just put an Burris Fastfire on a 96/44, hope to get it out this week, but fooling about with it in the house I think it'll be great until it needs a new battery. I probably should have spent more to begin with, but it's a start
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:47 AM
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Re: .444 vs 45-70 vs 30-30

I like the 444. For potential longer ranges, the Hornady Leverevolution ammo/bullets are good but for serious thumping, I load up 330 grain Beartooth hardcast bullets. Having said that, a 45-70 will do all that and more but I still like the 444.
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:49 AM
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Get a JM not a REM. The REM's are junk. Getting s JM means buying used.
Amen
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:19 AM
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Re: .444 vs 45-70 vs 30-30

Somewhere in the back of my safe is a 30-30 lever gun that's unfired! I have two .444's and a .450. All Marlins. The 45-70 never done much for me, but if you like them then so be it. The .444 shoots much flatter than most folks realize. Will drop a 300+lb. boar dead in his tracks erffortlessly. I have not shot any of the "leverultion ammo" in any of mine, so have no comment there. But a factory loaded Corbon is really a beast in them!! In the .444, stay away from the 240 grain hollow points, and they are thin jacketed and tend to come apart. I like the 265's and 300 grain solid nosed bullets from Speer. Corbon does a 330 grain bullet, that generates some serious recoil in the .444. I used to carry this load when I went on fishing trips up in the Bear Tooth Wilderness, but now take the .450 (very serious recoil) , but I fell safe with it. I can get similar ballistics out of the 45-70, but the loads are pretty hard on the action.

Now what you want to be looking for is a good used Marlin built lever action (not Remington!!). The Winchesters are not as stout. Your choice of sites is up to you, but if shots are 100 yards or less the red dot is a good choice. You want something that has a lot of eye reliefe!! The best bullet I've shot in the .444 is the Barnes 275 grain bullet. They'll print sub 1.30" groups without much trouble, and have heard of a couple that shot MOA groups (mine won't). The downside is that most .444's don't like cast lead bullets (no biggie for me as the velocity will cause massive leading in the barrel).
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:46 AM
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Re: .444 vs 45-70 vs 30-30

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Somewhere in the back of my safe is a 30-30 lever gun that's unfired! I have two .444's and a .450. All Marlins. The 45-70 never done much for me, but if you like them then so be it. The .444 shoots much flatter than most folks realize. Will drop a 300+lb. boar dead in his tracks erffortlessly. I have not shot any of the "leverultion ammo" in any of mine, so have no comment there. But a factory loaded Corbon is really a beast in them!! In the .444, stay away from the 240 grain hollow points, and they are thin jacketed and tend to come apart. I like the 265's and 300 grain solid nosed bullets from Speer. Corbon does a 330 grain bullet, that generates some serious recoil in the .444. I used to carry this load when I went on fishing trips up in the Bear Tooth Wilderness, but now take the .450 (very serious recoil) , but I fell safe with it. I can get similar ballistics out of the 45-70, but the loads are pretty hard on the action.

Now what you want to be looking for is a good used Marlin built lever action (not Remington!!). The Winchesters are not as stout. Your choice of sites is up to you, but if shots are 100 yards or less the red dot is a good choice. You want something that has a lot of eye reliefe!! The best bullet I've shot in the .444 is the Barnes 275 grain bullet. They'll print sub 1.30" groups without much trouble, and have heard of a couple that shot MOA groups (mine won't). The downside is that most .444's don't like cast lead bullets (no biggie for me as the velocity will cause massive leading in the barrel).
gary
Agree Marlin likely stronger than the Winchester, but the Marlin feels more than the listed 1lb heavier to me. Especially if one gets into the Timber model with 18.5 inch barrel ported. Agree stay away from 240 HP, and the 275 Barnes is a great choice. The 300 Barnes is a bit more of the same, though I've only shot those in 44 mag rifles.
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