Originally Posted by jwp475
Do you have any SOLID DATA or is it just talk, it takes money to buy Whiskey. I know that I have spoken to 3 Ballistic Labs and they all did not believe it to be possable with out exceeding SAAMI pressure limits....
Have you seen any Oehler 43 data yourself or is it just talk? I hear the whistle of gums flapping I think.
Do you or they have any solid data other than mystical phone calls with god knows what questions? NO NO NO NO because no lab has ever run pressure data on that light a bullet with zero freebore. All anyone has to do is look at the data out there such as the Oehler 43 tests run on the 300 WSM with extended freebores showing less pressure and speers site for instance to see that they all say lighter bullets equals less pressure.
Same naysayers will say that you cannot run the 210s at 2950-3050 out of the 300 WSM and I will show at least a dozen guys doing every weekend and brass lasting many many reloadings. I have got at least 4000 rds like that myself.
So the bottom line here is there is absolutely ZERO factual data to back up any Kirbyite claim. All we have is talk from the Kirbyites.
Lets look at the remington action which is now in the 338 Lapua. Now I will say I am the first to be "uneasy" to say the least with it in the 338 Lapua. Yet smiths on this board have done it and NOT one of the Kirbyites have jumped on them. NOT a damn one. The 338 is not officially SAAMI spec'ed yet it is often quoted at 68K, wooo that is 3K above the WSM. Now according to SAAMI the case has to be tested to 25% over that which puts it over 82K PSI for the WSM and 87K for the 338 Lapua. Do I want to load that, heck no.
So just why has the Kirbyites got their panties in a wad over this one gun. Answer is real simple. It was not invented by Kirby and it is a light low BC bullet. It really is that simple.
Just how is it that 30-40 of these guns are out there doing exactly as advertised without one incident and the ONLY naysayers are only here on this board (the Kirbyites). Why is that? Is everyone else just too stupid to see what the Kirbyites do?
If you are so sure of your data get your butt on 6mmBR spout your crap and we will all sell tickets to watch you get your butt handed to you. This would be more fun than anything lately. Will it happen, heck no because deep down you know it is all wild conjecture and you do not want to embarress yourself off this board. If you are so damn sure go for it, do not just jump on wildcat, grow a pair and play with the big boys.
Lets look at the facts. Not one of the naysayers claim to have shot it. Not one of them has even seen it, not one of them has any Oehler 43 pressure data or velocity data, yet they profess to be the all knowing gods of what is safe and not. Kirby's two points on what is dangerous and what FPS can be achieved is nothing more than wild speculation on his part. Rampant disbelief does not make it factual.
In reality all the naysayers are relying on is their leader to preach the "HIGH BC HEAVY BULLET FOR ALL OCCASIONS" gospel yada yada, and they all beat their tamborines and sings hyms of praise and join in pointing out the sinners of high velocity fragile varmint bullets at velocities Kirby does not believe.
Is Wildcat naive for continuing to post. Absolutey or just likes to stir the pot. I have mentioned to Wildcat all he is doing is baiting you guys and he should just forget it. Do not know if he enjoys it or what but the same goes for you all. Forget posting too until you can post show zero freebore Oehler 43 data until then you are guilty of the same things you accuse Wildcat of, at least he has 30 plus guys saying it is true who own the guns and not one of you has anything factual.
So JWP475, drink your whiskey because that is all you have got!