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2nd Ammendment

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Unread 08-10-2011, 11:08 AM
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Re: 2nd Ammendment

justgoto
You're trying to say something to me, and I'm missing it. I'm following this thread after working 12 hour night shifts, and my clarity might not be at it's best.
1) Hypocritical? I believe his brother has the same rights as I do, and has the right to choose not to exercise them.
2) Law abiding citizens? Not being sarcastic just an extreme example trying get what your telling me. Do you believe inmates locked in supermax prisons have the right to bear arms?
3) Shoplifters and Jaywalkers ? If you're asking me should a person lose their firearms rights over minor infractions-absolutely not, but shoplifters have placed themselves on offense, and assaulting a shop owner to escape isn't self defense. A person crossing the street illegally to catch a bus etc. isn't going to see a threat response from me, but if I check my 6, and see his buddies closing in somebody is likely to get run over.
I agree with your "Constitution as Law" comment, and suspect we agree on the application of the 2nd amendment. Not certain if that will come through in an Internet forum.
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Carl
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    Re: 2nd Ammendment

    You all started this, so here is my 2 cents


    A LITTLE GUN HISTORY . . .



    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From
    1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
    were rounded up and exterminated.
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    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to
    1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
    up and exterminated.
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    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to
    1945, a total of
    13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend
    themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to
    1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were
    rounded up and exterminated.
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    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to
    1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
    up and exterminated.
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    Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to
    1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
    and exterminated.
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    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to
    1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were
    rounded up and exterminated.
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    Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the
    20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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    It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia
    were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be
    destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
    more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:
    List of 7 items:
    Australia-wide, homicides ar e up 3 .2 percent
    Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
    Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes,
    44 percent)!

    In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms
    are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned
    them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

    While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
    decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically
    upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that
    their prey is unarmed.

    There has also been a dramatic increase in break- ins
    and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to
    explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort
    and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of
    guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts abov e
    prove it.

    You won't see this data on th e U.S. evening news, or hear
    politicians disseminating this information.

    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and
    property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the
    law-abiding citizens.

    Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

    The next time someone talks in favor of gun control,
    please remind them of this history lesson.

    With guns, we are 'citizens'.
    Without them, we are 'subjects'.

    During
    WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most
    Americans were ARMED!

    If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all
    of your friends. I just did.


    Dave
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    Dirtball, I have heard about the history that you talked about but where did you find the info on Australia? That story alone takes most of my discussions about gun control from hypothetical to a matter of fact. Let us know where you found that please. I found some of those statistics from the NRA but there was also an article that said the Australian govt asked the NRA to stop publishing their facts because they had been falsified.

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    This is the latest info I could find, some of the data has changed since the report used in the article above, but there has been NO meaningful reduction in crime.

    Results of the '96 Australian Gun Laws (updated 2009) (GunsAndCrime.org)

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    I'd have already shot him. But after I told him there is no separation of church and state in Constitiution, and when he was done choking on that I'd have told him that the 16th Amendment was never approved so Federal Income Tax is unConstitutional. Then I'd have shot him, prob in knees first as no use in wasting bulets on a good head shot as his head is empty anyway and he prob voted for Husseinobama.
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