1/4-1/2 MOA at 1k LR Rifle- Reality or Wishfull Thinking

[Shawn Carlock]

Well said form everyone. I send out all of my rifles with a proof group, the load and conditions fired in. I do on occasion get people call me up and say they can't get the group I have fired with the rifle. There are several advantages I have over them.

1. I have a 100 yard range in back of the shop complete with wind flags.
2. I shoot from that bench all the time.
3. If the conditions are not perfect I go back into the shop.

I do have to laugh when I ask what kind of wind flags they use and they respond with "What do you mean?". I am with Kirby on the get away from the bench theory. Most any good custom rifle package will shoot considerably better than the best mans ability to read the conditions. We are almost always the weak link. I read the condition as well as most people and I could not take advantage of the true 1/4 moa rifle over the 1/2 moa rifle. I like to hedge my bet all I can. When I shot my elk this year I waited out the the first 6 days of season to hunt the area because I knew the distances would be big and I was not comfortable shooting them in less than perfect conditions. I believe people need to rely on themselves more and their equipment less to make the shot.

[prtaylor]

This is an excellent post. I agree that by all means shoot from the field all of the time, learn to read the conditions and most important of all know your own limitations. If you do all of this, you will hit your prey 9 times out of 10. I think that is the most important thing of all

[winmagman]

Most any good custom rifle package will shoot considerably better than the best mans ability to read the conditions.

Shawn,

That was my thought when I first read this post. I'm sure there are plenty of 1/4 to 1/2 moa guns out there. The problem with them is they are not shot from a vice in a vacumn, humans shoot them, and that will cut down on their accuracy almost every time.

Chris

[Chas1]

Excellent reading and very informing. After reading and hearing about so many 1/4 and 1/2 MOA groups you start to wonder how in the world do these folks consistently do that. Then you start to doubt yourself when your shooting a tight group and then the next group goes to crap. This post has helped put things in better perspective, thanks to Kirby for starting this post. For me it's kinda like any other sport or field or technology or whatever that is on the cutting edge-All variables components, environment, man's ability must be at their optimal consistently to hit that bar consistently. This post has helped me see that those chances are rare. for me I know that most often I'm the weak link. There have been rare occassions when my skills have exceeded that of my rifle, that is when for me it is time to either make improvements to that rifle or get another. I have been at that point for a while, studying and learning from folks such as those posting here so that when I place my order with Kirby it achieves the desired effects. (Note to Kirby: I know it's been several weeks since we last exchanged e-mails but components list will be on it's way shortly-again thank you for all your help. Charlie). Sorry for being longwinded. To sum up thanks to all for this post. As long as the rifle I have can perform better than myself then I'm happy.

[LR3]

Great thread!

Given Kirby s comments, I thought I d comment on my 375 AM repeater I bought from Kirby. He had shot 5" at one mile with it so yesturday I got my first chance to push the limits on it at Thunder Valley (see Russo s post on 3.1" at 1680 yds there).

Started at 600 yds and shot 5 about 6" high and grouped 4" , adjusted and shot 3 shots at 2.5" grouping then went to 1000yds and 5 string horizontal band that was about 4" high. Horizontal spread was about 18"with erractic 2-3 mph wind. Then went to 1 mile, and practiced at 12" white target to range. Rifle was shooting better than Exbal numbers (Kirby gave me .7 BC and 3220fps). Dropped MOA by 3 MOA and then was on target. Shot at paper target and 3 rounds 9" low and another about 12" low from bull. Amazing rifle and look forward to growing into it!. Shooting off sandbags rather than bipod based on Kirby s advice. I m sure if I was using BR rest it would be better.

If I could figure out how to post pictures would add them - asked Editor for help but no response yet.

See my other post "375 6 pointer" for more comments about elk hunt with 375 /408CT

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[LR3]

Here Joel Russo s thread

3.806" group at 1,680 Yards

[LR3]

And here some comments about 375 s

375 6 pointer at 636 yds, 30-378, technical