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Old 07-14-2011, 01:47 PM
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Re: Youth hunting rifle-Savage or Rem? .243 Win.

The Remington Youth rifles I am seeing are listed at 7lbs without scope. The LOP is nice, 12 3/8". The Howa Youth 2&1 package lists at 6.95lbs but comes with a 2nd full size stock for later on down the road. The Vanguard Youth lists at 6.5lbs and has a spacer system to go from 12 1/2" up to 13 5/8". Any way you go, with scope you end up well pretty close to 8lbs carry weight.

The rate of twist on the remington is 1-9 1/8", where as the howa / vanguard is a 1-10" twist. The savage I think is 1-9.25" twist. Not sure if you need an all copper bullet, and also not sure if you hunt in cold climates, but the 10" twist might be a little lazy for the longer / heavier game type bullets.

Also keep in mind, the lighter the rifle, the sharper the recoil, just saying.

I know you didn't mention it, but have you looked at the Winchester Featherweight Compact? LOP is 13", but weight is 6.5lbs, and they are certainly a well made hunting rifle.

For me, I would avoid a Factory .243 simply because I like to KNOW my hunting bullets are all climate stable. For that reason, I would honestly consider the 7-08.

I will leave with this thought: When my sister turned 12 years old I bought her a Savage in 308 and downloaded using the Hodgdons Youth Loads. She handled it pretty well. The reason I said 135gr SMK is because you can also use the 130 TTSX for hunting, which is a truly excellent hunting bullet.

Sorry I wandered a bit, I hope things work out well for you!
Gary
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Re: Youth hunting rifle-Savage or Rem? .243 Win.

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Also keep in mind, the lighter the rifle, the sharper the recoil, just saying.

I know you didn't mention it, but have you looked at the Winchester Featherweight Compact? LOP is 13", but weight is 6.5lbs, and they are certainly a well made hunting rifle.

For me, I would avoid a Factory .243 simply because I like to KNOW my hunting bullets are all climate stable. For that reason, I would honestly consider the 7-08.
I have to disagree, a well constructed stock will take the sharpness out of recoil and it will just be a light shove. And if you are concerned about recoil why would you recommend a .284 over a .243? a 243 has more than enough killing ability for this little girl. and the 80-100 grain bullets will hammer a deer no problem. I wouldn't make the mistake of trying to give her more gun to make up for a beginners error I would stick to the best fit and minimal recoil because the more comfortable she is with the rifle the better the shot will be. And keeping it light is key because no 12 year old little girl wants to tote a 8-9 lb rifle through the woods/hills.
On a side note tikka makes super light and super accurate rifles. They even make an ultra light now with a fluted barrel, and if you feel the recoil is too much throw a harrels brake on it they cost $30 dollars and are very effective and well Made. Muzzle Brakes
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Re: Youth hunting rifle-Savage or Rem? .243 Win.

In equal weight rifles the 7-08 load I quoted has approximately the same recoil as the factory .243. The .260 load has only 80% of the .243 recoil. I believe they are a better choice for a small person.
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Re: Youth hunting rifle-Savage or Rem? .243 Win.

not being brand specific, but buy something she can shoot well. If the kid can't hit what she's aiming at, she will never shoot much and simply put the rifle away. Nothing wrong with the Remington, but I'd take the Savage over it. I think I'd be looking at the Vanguard.
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Re: Youth hunting rifle-Savage or Rem? .243 Win.

Not sure why I did not think of it earlier, but:

Ruger® M77® Hawkeye® Compact Bolt-Action Rifle Models

The Ruger Compact weights in at just 6lbs even. I have not seen one yet that weights less. LOP is 12 1/2". You can get it in .243, and 6.8SPC. Either round would certainly get the job done. You do not need bases with the Ruger, so that too is an additional weight savings. Best of all, that is 6lbs with a walnut stock

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Gary
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Re: Youth hunting rifle-Savage or Rem? .243 Win.

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Not sure why I did not think of it earlier, but:

Ruger® M77® Hawkeye® Compact Bolt-Action Rifle Models

The Ruger Compact weights in at just 6lbs even. I have not seen one yet that weights less. LOP is 12 1/2". You can get it in .243, and 6.8SPC. Either round would certainly get the job done. You do not need bases with the Ruger, so that too is an additional weight savings. Best of all, that is 6lbs with a walnut stock

Happy Hunting,
Gary
I saw one at the gun show the other day. It would make a perfect youth gun. My pick would be the 6.8. It also comes in .308 and I think 7.62x39.
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