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Old 03-05-2013, 05:24 PM
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Re: Win Model 70 or Browning A Bolt in 300wm

I would be willing to. I'm not that closed-minded, so I might just have to. Like I said, I wasn't trying to be a stick in the mud, I was just trying to get an accurate reasoning. But it is good we can have a civil discussion, which should also help with the OP making his decision. Glad we could debate and still remain friends at the end of the day.
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:25 PM
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Re: Win Model 70 or Browning A Bolt in 300wm

Agreed
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:38 PM
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Re: Win Model 70 or Browning A Bolt in 300wm

I liked the debate, almost a at fight, but lots of good stuff said. We love our firearms don't we. Be safe...
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Old 03-05-2013, 08:02 PM
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Re: Win Model 70 or Browning A Bolt in 300wm

It may have sounded like a fight, but it wasn't I assure you. I had a grin on my face the whole time. Debates are fun to me.

That's what makes the firearms world so great. 2 different people prefer 2 different style actions, and different ammo, and different stocks, and the list goes on. That's what makes it so much fun (to me) is figuring out what your gun likes best, and how you can do little things to tweak it to make it better. No matter what brand or style action you choose to go with, there is tons of good info and parts out there to always make it better...Be it Remington, Weatherby, Winchester, Ruger, Browing, Blaser, Tikka, Sako, Howa, etc...
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Old 03-06-2013, 11:32 AM
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Thanks! Let me know!
The 338 mag has 3.64" of clearance inside. I meausured mine last night.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:51 PM
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Re: Win Model 70 or Browning A Bolt in 300wm

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I liked the debate, almost a at fight, but lots of good stuff said. We love our firearms don't we. Be safe...
I liked it too Anyways, at the end, we all love firearms, especially rifles

Want to thank you all guys for giving your precious experiences and ideas.

I've started to figure out which model to choose, but love to hear some more, specifically about their long - range performance...
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:16 AM
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Re: Win Model 70 or Browning A Bolt in 300wm

Ill argue this a bit. The snipers in our various miltary branches are elite soldiers. Money isnt a big factor in the equipment they buy and use. They have used rem 700s for years because they have been proven. Not because someone got a good deal at walmart on a bunch of them. If that was the case im sure the bmgs they use wouldnt be barrets and the nightforce scopes they use would be replaced by tascos. For the most part specail forces decide themselves what equiptment they want and use and if a winchester or browning was felt to be better for there uses theyd have it. Granted they do modify them for there use but its still the best action to start with. Kind of like if you wanted to win a saturday night drag race. Would you buy a camero and modify it or a gremlin? both could win but you start with the best raw material you can get. Ask 50 snipers if theyd trade you there 700s for 70s or abolts or control round fed mausers and id be awful suprised if youd find even one that would go for it. Bottom line is in about any competitve shooting sport that uses bolt rifles remingtons are seen on the line 5 to 1 over any other actions. Id guess theres a good reason for that and it wasnt because of a clearance sale at walmart last week.
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Yes, really! The issue of Remingtons being used for police and military sniper rifles is one of institutional momentum. That is what has been used since the 60s and there are a lot of replacement parts available for them. Good thing too becuase there is much about them that needs improving. Their design was centered around manufacturing cost, not performance. There is little about the Remington that is all that impressive. Little wonder that it is usually cheaper to buy a custom action that uses the Remington footprint than it is to do all the work necessary to bring one up to high performance standards.

As to the characteristics that make the Winchester (and its FN counterpart) vastly superior, they are:
  1. Non Rotating extractor that provides a dramatic improvement in extraction power over the nearest competitor (excluding the Ruger 77 and Mauser variants). Nothing like the cute little thing that Remington uses and the aftermarket thrives on replacement options goint to an M-16 style of extractor
  2. Fixed Ejector that provides absolute reliablity over the spring loaded plungers of most other manufaturers. A fixed ejector also give the operator the option of manually removing the brass from the action port, dropping it just outside with a easy nudge to the rear of the bolt stroke(for reloaders that dont like to have to chase down their brass), or decisive ejection dependant upon how hard you stroke the bolt.
  3. Controlled round feed operation is smooth and positive, giving the operator the ability have complete control over the cartridge during the feeding process. It permits reliable feeding at all possible angles of orientation. Pretty much every serious repeating dangerous game rifle employs CRF for one simple reason, it works when the chips are down and your life may be in jeopardy if it doesnt. Same reason why the Mauser action was so prevalant in the last two world wars. Mauser actions dominated the sporter market and spawned a lot of post war variants copying its form and function, the Win 70 being one.
  4. 3 position bolt mounted safety. One of the most copied safeties in the industry. In the safe position the firing pin is pulled away from the trigger sear and locked into position. The mechanism is virtually foolproof and works reliably in extremely adverse conditions of temperature and grime.
  5. Simple, reliable trigger that is easily inspected, cleaned and adjusted
  6. The recoil lug is integral to the action, not a sandwiched piece between barrel and action. Even the heaviest aftermarket tactical Remington recoil lugs are pretty tame compared to that of the M-70's.
While the Browning is a decent piece and the Remington passable enough to get the job done, they dont hold a candle to a Winchester/FN action. Period.
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