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Wilcat Bullets...Why haven't BC's been posted?

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Unread 07-20-2005, 06:24 AM
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Re: Wilcat Bullets...Why haven\'t BC\'s been posted?

OK ... precursor to my post...I like Kirby and His contributions to this board, he probobly makes very nice rifles. More power to him... I really don't have any beef with anyone here... this is just an <font color="red"> observation </font> from reading more than posting the past few months...

Kirby knows these bullets have higher BCs than other bullets (like SMK) because heís compared the drop of the bullets. Kirby has not rigorously quantified the BC and he has no interest in doing so.

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<font color="purple">I believe that he does have an interest in doing so...maybe it is just me but if he so freely boasts about them I feel he would have some commitment to producing data on them? NO, am I wrong in this statement.. If I am tell me I'll admit it. </font>

Demanding him to do these measurements is silly. I (and others) plan on doing these measurements and publishing the results

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<font color="purple"> FOr the record , thats all I was after was some real world B.C.'s I figured as much talking as I was seeing about these awesome bullets someone would/should have data on them...</font>

Kirby patiently answers questions that folks like me and others ask. He is an enormous contributor to this forum. Your noisy repeat demands are just a distraction. Itís past time you give up this demand. You may have the right to keep and bare arms, but you have no right to the information you seek.

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<font color="purple"> You are right he contributes a ton of information which I respect and have interest in. It is however, economically motivated which I feel is perfectly fine. I also feel we do have some claim on the information he clearly advertises. He and others have continued to say how wonderfully high the B.C's of these bullets are and freely post on this site... we all understand this site is to post, discuss and share information. Given that, what motivation would someone have to accentuate and revel in the performance of these fine bullets and not want to share the information?</font>

This post as other have in the past took on a life of its own. I feel the initial question was fair and valid given the history of past posts concerning these bullets. Some took a defensive attitude and other got offened. Necessary? No! but it is very hard to feel or hear inflections and emotions when someone types. I feel that may have cause some miscomunication between several here who are bickering.

If there was a wonderful new pill out there that cured the common cold and had really great side effects and everyone was saying how good they felt taking it.. wouldn't you want to know what the side effects were and just how it made you feel good?
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Unread 07-20-2005, 06:26 AM
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Re: ATTN Kirby

I'm really ticked! at a local 'smith' I hope that's what he really is. Has had my 338 winny for over 3 weeks just to install a Holland brake and I have a box of 100 252gr RBBT Wildcats on the shelf.

Soon as I get it back I'm gonna site'er in Zero @ 200 yds and shot at 200, 300, 400, 500 meters and clear out to the lava rock ridge (I'll use the LRF 1200) to range the target (if it'll) range that far [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

Then I'm gonna ask ya'll to step me through how you'd come up with a drop chart. (I seem to have problems in the line of site/line of bore difference i.e., difference between scope center line and bore). I painfully worked it out, kinda, on the ol' 270 but after all that work, my first shot @ 650 yds was on the money.

Then Kirby's gonna make me a 338 that'l reach out and touch somthin' aren't cha, huh, aren't cha???

Here's the deal: You can't tell how you're doin' by looking at whatcha you're doin', ya gotta look at the results!

The proof's in the puddin' as they used to say!

Ya'll have a good day, I'm gonna [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Unread 07-20-2005, 07:46 AM
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Re: Wilcat Bullets...Why haven\'t BC\'s been posted?


If I had a rifle shooting 1/4 moa consistantly with any bullet I would not look around for greener grass either, I know for a fact Richard would tell you the same thing and agree with you as do I.

Point taken, sorry for the hot reply from me.

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Unread 07-20-2005, 07:51 AM
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Re: Wilcat Bullets...Why haven\'t BC\'s been posted?

Bill Bailey, at least twice in this thread you chose to make personal attacks. You are nothing but a piece of crap and a magot. I can't stand cowards like you who are so brave on the computer. I bet you wouldn't have the nerve to speak to me that way if you were standing in front of me. Would you?

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So much for making peace [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]!!! If you'll look about two posts up from your's, I apologized!!!

BTW, if your ever out here in the sticks of OK, you can reach me on my cell phone 405-880-7269. I'd welcome a face to face meating w/you [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]!!!

Damn, I hope no one pissed in your Wheaties again this morning!!!

Let this thing die so we can discuss something that will do somebody some good.
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Unread 07-20-2005, 07:58 AM
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Re: Wilcat Bullets...Why haven\'t BC\'s been posted?

CenterPunch Find out who is on rotation to Suffield or Wainwright and get them to bring some back when the training is over.
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Unread 07-20-2005, 08:20 AM
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No problem... funny thing about this internet stuff.. sometimes it is hard to get a read on how what is being actual being said... ;-) Unless you know the person...
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Unread 07-20-2005, 08:25 AM
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Re: Wilcat Bullets...Why haven\'t BC\'s been posted?

John M

Judging someone elseís personal courage is an extremely difficult thing, even in combat. I have seen kids fight bravely day after day and suddenly in a peculiar circumstance be unable to fight, but a few days later be good to go again, except for being embarrassed by the incident. You have no knowledge of whether BJ is or is not courageous nor under what circumstance. This is really unwarranted.

Calling people out into the street over bullet BC, when the cost of a box of bullets is less than a tank of gas, does not seem to be extremely rational to me.

And as far as Kirby goes, he openly discusses his successes and his errors just like most of the rest of us. And like Richard he provides a product that you canít get anywhere else ( Bruce Baer does some really good work in the larger calibers). If you donít like the product then you donít have to buy it. When I was in jump school at Ft Benning I went across the river to Pheonix City and bought a 7mm Wby Mark V as the ultimate 7mm. Since that day in 1969, we have seen the 7mm STW come along and then the 7RUM ( Dakota and Lazzeroni). The progression of case capacity and bullet weight is relatively obvious from my perspective. Kirby is moving at the front of this decades long trend and using Wildcat bullets. Will the 7mm AM push further than we have the correct powder and metallurgy to go? I do not know, but we will see what we will see. I have waited patiently and will continue to wait as he tests the prototype. In the end it is my money and I will do as I please and none of your ďdemandsĒ will cause me to move left nor right.

The price of 93/94 octane is $2.75 and my mustang gets 12 mpg. Next week I will spend about $100 on gas to drive to Mifflin Pa. to test $10 worth of bullets at 1000yds. The only thing cheaper than bullets is primers. It is unbeleivable that any body who particiaptes in longrange hunting would grumble over the cost of a box of bullets.
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