I hate these hornet nest topics, but I feel you have stepped over the bounds of communication into the realm of slandering so I must defend myself and my experiences lest I be called spineless. So here it goes:
1. Connie Brooks does bring me (my place of employment) bullets every year of which I will be taking pics of and posting them here for your enjoyment. I "ridicule" her tests because water is not a very good testing media if you are trying to show what a bullets performance is on a solid. Water is not solid. However, my 8 dry phonebooks taped together is VERY hard on a bullet (maybe more so than actual bone) and if a bullet is going to expand, it should do it in the phonebooks. Therefore, my tests show different results than hers. That is all I was stating.
2. I defend my shot placement for long range shooting, and if you don't believe it works as good or better than a head shot, just get off your mission and watch "BEYOND BELIEF" produced by John Burns. Every shot on the video is a high shoulder shot, and they flat out work every time. That has also been my experience.
3. I was being logical. I am like Spock with logic. I state my experiences with as much logic (proof) as I can muster.
4.No I am not contending that Barnes lose their petals at long range. In fact, I have seen the exact opposite! They don't lose their petals at long range because they don't open up enough (in my experience) to start to even shear the petals. If you remember from my first post on this subject (if you read it) I said that if one is going to shoot Barnes, he should fire the fastest gun he can shoulder, and shoot closer ranges with them at the heart/lung area which explains why your 230 grain .338's mushroomed well at 30 feet! So, our experiences were not that far off in that regard.
5. If you have had penned up anger towards me for awhile because of my earlier post on LRB bullets, than I can see why you are attacking my opinions and experiences now, but that does not make up for it. If you need to vent, fine, but that is your problem, not mine. I am calm, cool and collected, and realize that these are just words on a computer screen.
And by the way, I have shot Lost River Bullets in 2 different weights, and could not get them to shoot very well at all, so I actually did some homework on them! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] I was told that the reason they don't shoot well in most guns is because of the special groove angle needed to smooth the bullets path down the barrel as they have a huge Zinc content. I DID NOT MAKE THAT UP!!!
If you need references to talk to about it, call Bill Shehane at D & B supply (www.scopeusout.com
) or Brad Stair at Performance Guns (801-731-8152) or call LRB themselves. They will tell you that a special angle will help. Have you ever been to a 1k yard match? There is not one guy that I know of that shoots LRB bullets, and there IS a reason. I would hate to have a special throat and groove angle made for one bullet because, if that bullet doesn't shoot good (ie your gun doesn't like it) than you might be in trouble!
6. Your experiences with Barnes are different than mine. That does not mean your experiences are invalid or that you are stupid in my book, so why am I an idiot in your book for the same reasons?? Do I not have a right to explain myself and my choices same as you?? Am I so wrong for showing and expaining it as best as I can? Does this mean that all my long range kills (I have shot 6 big game animals over 700 yards) were just luck? Does it mean that my pic of the bullet in my hand on "820 yard cow elk pics" on this forum was just an elaborate hoax and my choice of bullet (Accubond) was bad? I think not.
7. My experiences and knowledge are not antidotal evidences paraded around as fact. They are my opinions, mixed with documented facts, and are not intended to determine what products you are to use. Only YOU can determine what you are going to buy. It doen't mean belly-button lint to me what you use as long as it makes you happy and keeps you off my back!
8. My friends that work at Barnes do not go out and disparage Barnes at all. That was me who talked about them in a pessimistic view, NOT THEM. I just stated that they don't buy Barnes bullets for their own personal use. They don't deserve to be fired, after all, they are just machinists, not company salesmen. They just tell me the facts from work when I ask them about stuff, and they keep it pretty quiet to everyone else.
Randy and Conni are often gone on Safari anyways, and they do their own marketing there. The recovered bullets that grace the photo albums are often of big bore magnums shot at very close range on critters the size of buses. This can be misleading for the beginner reloader who is hunting white tails at 600 yards. VERY different demands are put on that bullet under the two different scenarios.
Ok, that about wraps it up for now. I respect you very much Brass Bender, and have always thought of you as a very knowledgeable person. In fact, I was shocked that you would jump me the way you did as I thought we were friends and had similiar views. I did not mean to stir a hornets nest or tick you off. I have really enjoyed helping your wonderful son-in-law with his long range shooting, and I hope you won't turn him against me (the flaming moron) because of my apparent inadequacies. I also look forward to shooting with you after your mission if you still want to be seen shooting with an imbacel like me. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]