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Who makes a heavyweight .277" High-BC Match-Style bullet?

 
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Old 01-17-2008, 04:33 PM
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Stevewix,

I can think of one combo that will offer a bit more down range performance with the 169.5 gr ULD RBBT!!!

Sounds like an interesting project you have there. Accurate as well. Best bet for Richard, call him instead of e-mail and its best to do so in the evenings after dark.

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Old 01-17-2008, 05:10 PM
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Richard told me he flat out aint gonna send out no seconds, same thing he told Kirby he keeps getting bad jackets. You want junk? Ya aint gettin it from him!.......May 07 Chawlston looks like you ordered in the middle of his farming and got at least another 4 months to go!

Yea, I want my 400 now too, but not right to bash a guy doing the best he can for his customers! And my check finally went through yesterday so in a couple months Ill have a right to whine!

Ordered mine in Feb 07, So stop whinin!
Actually, it was back in March when he sent me an unsolicited email containing photos of the bullets with the aluminum tips. So, you can add two more months to the ordeal.

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Old 01-17-2008, 05:57 PM
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wildcat bullets can be a hard to find bullet sometimes so the best bet it to buy lots of the one you want when they are available. Richard is a hell of a nice guy to deal with and he makes a hell of a product. Some people need to understand that this is not his only business and he can be very hard to reach sometimes do to farming or other situations. He offers a service you really cant find anywhere else so i am more than happy to deal with the occasional hiccups along the way. I mean where the hell else are you gonna find hand made, VLD-ULD,match grade, custom designed hunting bullets that a guy will go out of his way to make for you???? pretty sure i can handle the occasional inconvience for all of that ;) just buy several of them when you get some.

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Old 01-17-2008, 06:06 PM
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If I ever get any of the ones I ordered, I may then be able to more appreciate the process and the product. However, ten months is not an occassional hiccup. It is a disaster. And, if he is so busy that he cannot deliver, then he should not promise delivery in the first place.

My position is that he promised delivery and did not ship merchandise or, answer emails or even return phone calls. If he is too busy to answer emails or phone calls pertaining to orders, then maybe he needs get out of the bullet business. His customer service and customer support is non-existent from my viewpoint. This is a lot different than the two previous orders I had from him.

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Old 01-17-2008, 06:16 PM
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Well, I ordered 700 bullets from him and got them and I am still waiting on the gunsmith to build my rifle 13 months later. Why am I still waiting on the rifle? Because when I look in the mirror I do not wish to see a person who cannot accept reasonable issues that arise in life.

Richard provides a service that we cannot get elsewhere and your premise that he should quit making us bullets seems somewhat like taking an axe to one's foot.
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:27 PM
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you, me, no one on here knows for sure what is or has been going on in Richards life or what difficulties he might be having making any number of particular bullets so jumping the gun and talking crap about him before you get any difinitive answers seems kinda hasty.

delays from richard dont really bother me too much so im gonna keep on shooting them mean ol canadian boolits
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Old 01-17-2008, 07:04 PM
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Chawlston,

So you have been waiting on Aluminum tipped bullets. I will tell you for a fact that there have only been a very small number of AT RBBTs sent out and those were for the sole purpose of accuracy and ballistic testing.

I would almost bet money that Richard told you there was no time frame as to when he expected to have those AT RBBTs ready to ship.

Again, let me offer some "excuses" for you.

Bringing a bullet like this to the market is not something that is easy. The engineering element along is a serious project. Then getting someone to make the aluminum tips to your specs is another project.

Then getting the bullet die maker to make you a die that is the way its supposed to be for these long tipped bullets is another feat.

Then getting a jacket that does not match up with the step on the tip causes more delays.

Then getting feed back from those testing the bullets and realizing there are certain issues with the AT RBBTs that need to be corrected before they can be offered to the public.

Then trying to figure out what is needed in custom dies, new tip designs and new jacket designs all over again.

Repeat the process over and over until you finally get it perfect for your customers. Richard is somewhere in the middle of that mess with the AT RBBTs and getting them to the public.

Can you imagine if he sent out a batch of bullets to customers that had loose tips? Can you imagine if he sent out bullets that had crooked tips?
Do you think the public would be understanding of this or do you think they would fly off and bad mouth Wildcat bullets every chance they got. Many would be understanding, but there would be enough that would raise hell and not understand the "growing pains" if bring such a bullet to the market and the bad press would be more then a small business could overcome.

Who else is offering a bullet that has the BC of a solid brass VLD type bullet but with the expansion of a big game bullet and with consist accuracy out of a variaty of different bore diameters?

How else is trying to offer these things, NO ONE!!! The only other aluminum tipped bullet out there is the 750 gr A-Max from Hornady that I am aware of. The reason, they are not cheap to build and they are tricky to make on a smaller caliber scale.

You have to test tip design and how it effects expansion, you have to figure out how to get those tips to seat straight as can be and stay put when seated. You have to figure out what jacket thickness will allow good expansion but yet not be to heavy to prevent expansion at long range yet again not be to thin to blow up at close range.

You make it sound like a year is SO long to wait for such a product, you need to realize that these things take time. When you bring something new to the market place, time is something you spend ALOT of, including MONEY.

If you understood the time and effort Richard has placed in this project, not to mention money invested, you may be a bit more understanding. If you have ever tried to bring something to the market that has never been done before, you would also understand the frustrations involved with such a project but from your comments, its easy to see you have no experience with such things.

As far as I know, the AT RBBT is not even available to customers yet. I do not have any other then the bullets Richard sent to me to test as far as load data, ballistic testing, accuracy testing and some limited field testing.

You may have placed and order but I would bet Richard has never said when the bullets would be ready for customer orders to be placed. If he did it would suprise me tremedously knowing Richard.

Again, my comment to you is this, I do not mean to offend in any way but you need to educate yourself to the process and what is involved in getting from an idea in your head to customers having bullets in their hands. Its a long road and a year is a short time to bring a product like this from idea to reality.

You just need to be a bit more realistic in your demands.

Just my opinion but the more you talk, the more it becomes clear why your bullets have not arrived, there are none to ship at this time. Richard may well have sent you a picture of these bullets, hell I could post a dozen pics of these bullets, but I would bet he never said that they would be ready to shop on a certain date.

I am confident in that because I have been bugging Richard from the start about these bullets and if they were ready to ship, I would have heard about it and more then likely been testing them already for Richard.

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