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Who makes a heavyweight .277" High-BC Match-Style bullet?

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Unread 01-17-2008, 12:36 PM
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Richard is one of the nicest people to do business with that I've done business with. Plus he knows one helluva lot about bullet construction, performance in the barrel and terminal performance. The last time we exchanged emails he indicated that he "should" have some of the jackets he wanted somewhere about now.

I've been thinking and that's usually a bad thing. I know nothing about the bullet making/jacket procuring process but I wonder why Sierra would want to sell jackets to a competitor thought their markets are vastly different. I thinking of the movie "Tucker".

With the price of copper and lead rising fast, I suppose due to the world wide unrest, there is a shortage of bullet making materials.

After years of trying a bunch of different powders, bullets, primers and brass to get the maximum out of a factory rifle I was surprised in a major way with an APS custom rifle. The whole process was get the Wildcat bullet that the cartridge was designed for, put the proper amount of powder and primer behind it and go to shooting small groups. Then work up the drop chart and go shoot stuff. Sheese, what fun is that! Thus I purchased only 100 bullets where I should have purchased 500 and I would have had a life time stock on hand.

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Unread 01-17-2008, 01:54 PM
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I've been reloading a whopping ONE year next month, have my first wildcat finished and shooting .300" 5 shot groups off a portable bench, my next wildcat started and have created a great computerized database system to track my progress (I load about 15 different chamberings thus far). One of the best lessons I've taken from my experience thus far is - stock up on components!

Looking forward to hearing back from Richard. My little .270 wildcat will retain energy better than nearly anything I can calculate with the 169.5 ULD's.

It looks like they'll go 3150 fps +-50 fps out of my 28" barreled .270-300 Win Mag. is anyone loading these in a .270 Weatherby?

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Unread 01-17-2008, 02:11 PM
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Kirby Allen(50)[/QUOTE]

"Have you bothered to call Wildcat Bullets to find out why the bullet orders are late????"


Yes I have. I have both called and sent numerous emails.

"Please do some research before you make comments like "Unless your in some inner cirlce"."


I have done research and bullets were shipped to folks after he promised me a shipment. Heck, he is the one promising the shipments.

"I have had bullets on order from Nosler and Berger for much longer then 3 months."


We are not talking three months, the promises were back in May of 2007 for shipments for testing.

Sorry for the rant and no offense intended but there are circumstances that are the reason you are not seeing any bullets. Pick up the phone and call before you make comments like this please.


You need to realize that I have done all of this already and still no responses or bullets. He really does not need you to make excuses for or to stand up for him. It is merely a bullet order. I am sure he is a nice guy, but come on we are into eight months of waiting. I have decided that since I only get to shoot 1K and under, that I can shoot the ones that are readily available when I need them. Maybe one day all the issues will be resolved and he will get caught up and I can get some.

Finally, I have purchased bullets from him before, so I know the procedure.

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Unread 01-17-2008, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Stevewix View Post
I haven't found a phone number yet for Wildcat, can anyone post it? I'd like to place an order.
E-MAIL I only live 20 miles away and I can't get him on the phone most of the time.
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Unread 01-17-2008, 02:29 PM
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One more thing Kirby,

When the bullets did not arrive as promised, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and tried both calling and emailing. No responses whatsoever. I have just given up and hope others don't have the same problem. That is specifically why I posted on this thread when the new shooter inquired about long range bullets. It does not matter who makes the best if he choses not to fulfill orders or ignore orders. If his business is damaged, it is by his practices and lack of fulfillment of his promised shipments. No more no less.

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Unread 01-17-2008, 02:53 PM
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Richard told me he flat out aint gonna send out no seconds, same thing he told Kirby he keeps getting bad jackets. You want junk? Ya aint gettin it from him!.......May 07 Chawlston looks like you ordered in the middle of his farming and got at least another 4 months to go!

Yea, I want my 400 now too, but not right to bash a guy doing the best he can for his customers! And my check finally went through yesterday so in a couple months Ill have a right to whine!

Ordered mine in Feb 07, So stop whinin!
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Unread 01-17-2008, 04:22 PM
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Lets see, you ordered in the month of May, Richard generally has around a month of prep time getting equipment ready for the seeding season and then 3 to 4 weeks actually seeding and you called him right in the middle of that time of year. If you know any farmers, its usually from before daylight until well after daylight as far as working days.

The same thing happens from August to the end of september so in the timeframe you are referring to, there have been around 4 to 5 months where Richard has even been making bullets and I can assure you his problems with jackets has been going on MUCH longer then when you sent in your order in May.

I do not make excuses for Richard of any kind. Never have and never will. That would be insulting to him if I did. I am simply trying to open your eyes to the fact that bullet making is secondary to his main source of income, FARMING and that takes up alot of time. I also wanted to open your eyes to the fact that there have been issues with jacket quality that Richard has had to deal with.

Most of his customers understand this but there are always others that feel there is nothing that could possibly explain why something is late that they ordered. Must simply be that their order was ignored. That is hardly the case here but it seems you have your mind made up.

I have not had a shipment of 169.5 gr ULD RBBTs since this spring either. I have also not had a shipment of 200 gr ULD RBBTs since well before that. Why, Richard is busting his hump to get a reliable source of jackets so that his bullets will remain the quality they are and as already mentioned, you will not see any seconds coming from Wildcat Bullets.

If you can not live with that then you would certainly be much better off ordering from a large comerical bullet maker which is appearently what you have done and are recommending to others.

All I am saying is that you need to learn the reasons for late orders before making irresponsible comments like you did. As another smalll business owner, word of mouth either makes or breaks you. Unfortunately, unbased, uneducated comments do just as much damage as a comment based in fact.

That is my point for replying to you.

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