Long Range Hunting Online Magazine


Go Back   Long Range Hunting Online Magazine > Rifles, Reloading, Optics, Equipment > Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics

Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics Applied Ballistics


Reply

Whats the most stable transonic bullet?

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #22  
Old 11-27-2011, 01:21 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,114
Re: Whats the most stable transonic bullet?

Quote:
Originally Posted by LouBoyd View Post
The alternative to shooting transonic is to use higher BC bullets, more case capacity, and long barrels.
The advantages are:
lower wind deflection
flatter trajectory
more terminal energy
better accuracy even if the transonic bullet remains stable.
I agree with all except the last one.

Higher BC bullets does not mean you'll get better accuracy. Bullet accuracy's determined by two or three things; how uniform its weight and shape is and how well balanced they are. If all leave the muzzle at the same speed and muzzle axis angle and there's no external forces applied to them, they'll all go in the same hole.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 11-27-2011, 01:39 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Allen, TX
Posts: 2,608
Re: Whats the most stable transonic bullet?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart B View Post
I agree with all except the last one.

Higher BC bullets does not mean you'll get better accuracy. Bullet accuracy's determined by two or three things; how uniform its weight and shape is and how well balanced they are. If all leave forcethe muzzle at the same speed and muzzle axis angle and there's no external s applied to them, they'll all go in the same hole.
True. But, external forces exist. So unless it's dead calm, high bc will win out over low bc at long range with all else equal. e.g. bullet uniformity/balance, shooter ability.

Also as LouBoyd stated, the low bc bullet will become transonic sooner than the high bc bullet (assuming equal mv). Plus, better transonic stability isn't going to improve accuracy relative to a bullet that doesn't become transonic.

So, bc rules for LRH. Nonetheless it's fair to ask, what if you could have your cake and eat it too?

-- richard
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 11-27-2011, 02:14 PM
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Mount vernon, OH
Posts: 671
Re: Whats the most stable transonic bullet?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Topshot View Post
The 308 is also one of the cartridges that I am interested in. I have been testing the 155 grain HBC bullet at 1200 yards out of my 24" bull barrel. This has given me some interesting results.

However the odd bullet that bites the dust has lead me to search for a better bullet to make it to the target more consistently.
Ill be interested as well. I'm building a short barrel .308. Key is getting the bullets to stabilize out of the shorter tube.
__________________



"Let glorious acts more glorious acts inspire,
And catch from breast to breast the noble fire!
On valour's side the odds of combat lie,
The brave live glorious, or lamented die;" - Iliad, Book V
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 11-27-2011, 02:18 PM
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Mount vernon, OH
Posts: 671
Re: Whats the most stable transonic bullet?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bsl135 View Post
No, that's not it.

This bullet is very new and isn't in the system just yet. It will be available thru the Berger store and other re-sellers soon.

-Bryan
You shooter app for the Droid is Amazing. i was going to write an App as part of my graduation project for school but you did everything I wanted. You need to get your app on the kindle. Thanks for all the work you do so guys like me don't have to ware out ten barrel doing trial and error.
__________________



"Let glorious acts more glorious acts inspire,
And catch from breast to breast the noble fire!
On valour's side the odds of combat lie,
The brave live glorious, or lamented die;" - Iliad, Book V
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 11-27-2011, 05:33 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,114
Re: Whats the most stable transonic bullet?

Quote:
Originally Posted by joe0121 View Post
Ill be interested as well. I'm building a short barrel .308. Key is getting the bullets to stabilize out of the shorter tube.
It's easy. Use a fast twist.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 11-27-2011, 05:49 PM
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Mount vernon, OH
Posts: 671
Re: Whats the most stable transonic bullet?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart B View Post
It's easy. Use a fast twist.
I was thinking 1/10????
__________________



"Let glorious acts more glorious acts inspire,
And catch from breast to breast the noble fire!
On valour's side the odds of combat lie,
The brave live glorious, or lamented die;" - Iliad, Book V
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 11-27-2011, 06:08 PM
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Patagonia Mountains, Arizona
Posts: 758
Re: Whats the most stable transonic bullet?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart B View Post
I agree with all except the last one.

Higher BC bullets does not mean you'll get better accuracy. Bullet accuracy's determined by two or three things; how uniform its weight and shape is and how well balanced they are. If all leave the muzzle at the same speed and muzzle axis angle and there's no external forces applied to them, they'll all go in the same hole.
If all bullets left at the same speed and there were no external forces appled to them shooting competition would be very boring.

I was only talking about supersonic VLDs versus transonic non VLDs at long range. I suppose there are cases where a transonic non VLDs could have lower time of flight giving less vertical stringing and lower lag time giving less wind deflection. It would have to have a higher muzzle velocity.

Do you ever choose to shoot bullets which will be transonic at the target?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads for: Whats the most stable transonic bullet?
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Surviving the transonic barrier. Topshot Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics 23 10-19-2013 08:36 PM
.338 Shooters: Whats your bullet? angus-5024 Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics 32 01-14-2011 12:21 PM
Rifles and Munitions transonic ranges quentusrex Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics 0 11-27-2008 08:26 AM
When the bullet goes transonic/subsonic sako-75 Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics 10 08-28-2007 06:10 PM
whats the easiest //best case/ bullet combo to get to 800 mr.big Long Range Hunting & Shooting 11 04-07-2007 10:34 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:23 PM.


Powered by vBulletin ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Management Powered by vBadvanced CMPS
All content ©2010-2014 Long Range Hunting, LLC