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Old 03-06-2011, 02:42 AM
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Re: what long range cartridge would work best for a remington short action

Might want to consider 6.5x47 Lapua. Deadly accurate, feeds well even with the VLD's, and not much behind the 6.5x284 with considerably less powder and longer barrel life
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Old 03-06-2011, 06:27 AM
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Re: what long range cartridge would work best for a remington short action

You are asking about a short action, and some of those 30's are gonna be too long. The 243 AI is OK. Many 1,000 yard guns are being produced on the 6mmBR, BRX, Dasher and other variations. Now if you are looking for a big game factory cartridge, stay with the .308.
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Re: what long range cartridge would work best for a remington short action

I get a kick out of these posts. They seem to be popping up alot lately. What the BEST for this or that.

In all honesty, you are the best part of the rifle for long range hunting. There are 500 chamberings that would work and be fully capable of taking deer and coyotes at long range in a short action Rem 700.

Ballistically, a 260 Remington will nearly match the 300 WSM as far as ballistic performance and would have 1/3 the recoil.

Some have said many of the rounds recommended are to long for the Rem 700 short action. Again, bunk, its a 20 minute job to install a 3.000" Wyatts extended mag box and then you can use any of the WSM if you want to and even the 284 class chamberings.

The 6.5x47 is a decent chambering but its developing a reputation of having alot of vertical stringing at longer ranges because in my opinion, the case capacity is to large for small rifle primers. It CAN NOT be loaded anywhere near 6.5-284 performance levels unless the first is overloaded and the second is under loaded. Thats just a silly comment.

For what you want to hunt, you do not need alot of bullet weight so unless you want to reuse the factory barrel, I would never recommend a 30 cal for what your using the rifle for. 6.5mm and 7mm would offer better ballistics all around. Even if you dropped down to the 260 Rem or 7mm-08, you would gain ballistic performance, not give up much in barrel life either and have less recoil.

If you want to rev up the ballistic performance, Look at the 6.5-284 or even the old 284 Win which actually is a great short action chambering. Just have your reciever converted to use the 3" wyatts mag box.

If you want more then this, the 6.5mm WSM is an amazing long range chambering for your class of game. The 7mm WSM is also outstanding, again, you will want the 3" mag box.

In the end, no matter what you have, it is you that will determine if the rifle is effective at long range, that is if the rifle is up to the challange from the beginning.

One thing to consider however is that when you convert a standard receiver to use the WSM, its not as easy at it may sound. Some receivers need alot of tweaking to get them to feed well. Its often not just as easy as opening up the bolt face and your off. That is why you may be much better off with the 08 siblings of the 284 family of chamberings.
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Re: what long range cartridge would work best for a remington short action

Listen to kirby!:d
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Re: what long range cartridge would work best for a remington short action

All of the options above make sense, except I would hazard against building a 6.5-284 on a SA. I would put those on LAs only unless you want just a single shot. It will perform better on a LA.

For long range hunting, either the 300 WSM, 7WSM or 270 WSM, but you will need to change the bolt face.

For long range targets, and up to coyote maybe deer, 260 Rem is probably your best choice.

For long range target shooting, it is hard to beat the 6 Dasher.

The 6.5x47 Lapua I wouldn't put into comparison with the 6.5-284 in LR hunting capabilities. Great round, but different spectrum and capability.

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Re: what long range cartridge would work best for a remington short action

The 6.5-284 can easily be put into a short action with an extended max box. Yes the bullets have to be seated a bit deeper. If you take a top end loaded 6.5-284 with a 3.000" OAL and one with a 3.250" OAL, the difference in performance will be about 50-75 fps.......

And, the short throated 6.5-284 will still putperform anything except a WSM or RSAM class chambering in same caliber.

Throat length is often overblown as far as velocity performance you gain from it from increased case capacity. Yes its there but its marginal compared to what most would have you believe.

Its very similiar to the myths that many spout about increased FPS per inch of barrel length. Used to be many would say you will get 50 fps per inch of barrel length, that is simply false. Even the most extreme, low expansion ratio chamberings will only gain around 35 fps per inch of barrel length over 24" barrel length. Most conventional chamberings will get 10 to 15 fps at most, occasionally around 20 fps but thats MAX.

Simply put, just like the old V-8, cubic inches equals horsepower with all else being equal, same way in rifle chamberings. Case volume equals performance, pure and simple, no magical way to get around it other then running the pressures very high to make up for case capacity and that is never a good thing.
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Re: what long range cartridge would work best for a remington short action

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Most factory cases that become Ackley Improved's are not hard to form, for many years it has been said that the parent cartridge could be fired in an AI chamber without any problems. I forget the reason why, but it was once explained to me in detail by a gunsmith, and it made perfect sense. I just suffer from CRS sometimes

Some Ackleys are more difficult, because the shoulder is actually moved forward and then blown out to 40 degrees. My 6 Long Dasher is a perfect example of this, but it's not a standard AI by any means.

The guy that built it told me it would out perform the 243 AI. I don't know for sure, but I do know that I can easily get 3300 with 105's and H4350. It fits in a Ruger short action with plenty of room to spare. Probably very similar to the 6-250 AI that Tricky is talking about, and there are alot of good reports on that cartridge too.

260, 7-08, 6.5-284, 6.5X47 Lapua are also good choices IMO. Especially if you are interested in deer at 700 or 800 yds. The 6.5-284 probably holds the candle out of those 4.

In order to get the ballistics of a good 6 or 6.5, you've gotta go really heavy bullets in 30 cal. In fact, ballistically the 6 Long Dasher with 95's at 3300 has less drop and drift at 1000 yds then the 300 WSM with 180's at 3000 does. It doesn't have the energy or "knock down" power at 1000, but it's ballistically more friendly.

Lots of choices out there nowdays that are better than the 308 IMO.
here's why I said to go with the 6/250AI instead of the .243AI. When fire forming an improved case the over all length actually shrinks anywhere fron .030" to .060"; depending on the case design and how much of a void the brass has to fill. A typical .243AI shrinks anywhere from .03" to .045", and the neck is the part that looses out. The .243 neck is already too short for heavy bullets and very light bullets, and the T.P. ends up in the throat killing barrel life. But with the 40 degree shoulder, it helps by moving the T.P. back into the neck a little bit. You still can't overcome the too short of a neck syndome. Most guys I know that still shoot the .243AI use 6mm Remington brass instead of generic .243 brass to at least keep the proper neck length. My 6/250AI chamber is actually about 1.968" long, and I use .243 brass rather than 22-250 brass. My cases will shrink right at .040" on fire forming. This makes them come in at about 1.930" for a neck length of .26" (roughly). I'd much rather have a .290 neck length. My next 6mm round will be a 6BG or a 6BG+.100".
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