I own, and have owned ALOT of different guns over the years......
Howa is not better than a 700....Period. Had both, at the same time, compared side-by-side, and there is no way in hell, the older Howa 1500 actions were anywhere NEAR as good as the 700's. The gun I had was an older Howa 1500 Lightning .223 heavy-barrel.
And I'm so glad yall can tell me that I'm not smart enough to observe the differences in the different types of actions. What's it like being that smug?
Glad I'm not so blind that I can't see beyond my nose.
Yall have fun trying to turn everyone anti-Remington.
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Originally Posted by WildRose
The 284 is to the STW what a tricycle is to a Ninja.
My personal experience is the the Remington 700 is very poorly made. Quality control is spotty at best. I've personally had the bolt handle come off due to bad soldering , angled bolt face , bubbling finish on a 30 day old stock , rust specks from under the finish of my ss barrel , feed ramp milled to a washboard finish . All of this on a CDL SF .
Well, if this is gonna turn into a Rem 700 bash-fest, without substantial proof, then I'm done here. I don't bash on any action. That Howa was the only one I've ever owned that was horrible, and I plan on never owning another one. I could have gotten a lemon, but b/c I had a lemon, and mention it, yall wanna bash some more on the 700's.
It's pathetic how bad disgust yall have for the 700's, even though they are good actions. When someone mentions a 700 action, why do you always feel it necessary to try to change their mind? Has it ever occured to you that forcing your own agenda onto someone might push them away further? Well it does. Just FYI.
What are you talking about? Why would I bash an action that I am using for a build? What I am doing is giving objective observations comparing features of various actions. If I have said anything inaccurate, please show me. Get over it already
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What I find very interesting is that when we are talkign about actions, we atribute good accuracy to the action. When we are talking about barrels, we atribute good accuracy to the barrel. When we are talking about bullets, we attribute good accuracy to the bullet, etc., etc.
In the final analysis one must consider all the components and factors involved.
An accurate rifle can be built on any action. There will always be anecdotal stories of well my Savage or my Remmy or my Ruger shoots. What does that prove or mean? one can find anecdotal horror stories as well which in my case I could tell about a Ruger M77 Tang Safety and a Sako M85.
I've got a couple of 1/2 MOA Senderos on untrued 700 actions. Replace the barrels with a factory production sporter barrels and replace the stock with an injection molded plastic stock and you will porbably not see 1/2 MOA accuarcy. Probably lucky to get 1 MOA. My first rifle ever, a R700 BDL 243 was a bout a 1 - 1 1/2 MOA shooter out of the box, shooting factory ammo. That said, my next rifle was a S&W M1500 (Howa) 7mm RM which was a 1/2 MOA shooter out of the box.
IMO, in the big picture, there are 3 types of factory action rifles you generally a lot of good about and almost nothing bad. They would be the M70, the Howa and the Savage. I can find a lot more issue and problem posts and threads about the others although there are always the good ones.
You see very few shooters sporting precision rifles on Browning and Ruger actions. Probably going to be stepping on some toes regarding that, but it is an objective and factual observation. If you take a close look at these actions and toss the anecdotal stories the reasons will become evident.
If you want to make an objective decision about "which action", then look at the facts objectively. Look at the features of the action and the overall big picture results.
kinda reminds me of a buddy that had a Remington 788 laying around. He builds a 22-250AI out of it. Sent the action to Dwight Scott up in Michigan to have it trued (sure he thought he was nuts!), and of course Dwight did a job on the action that he's often known for. While it was up there he sent him a new Shilen barrel blank, and also had him chamber it and set the headspace. Doug did all the rest of the work himself. The rifle shot quarter inch groups all day long. Then a couple years later another shooting buddy of mine gets his hands on a couple 788's from his father inlaw. One was in .308, and I think the other was either 30-30 or maybe even 44 mag. The one in .308 was then one I remember most. Tony was a very frugal kinda guy, and for that rifle would never have bought a new barrel. He took the factory barrel and lapped it per Calfee's specs. Set it back about 1", and rechambered it in .308NM. Trued up the action, and probably spent a week lapping in the bolt lugs. Used the factory wood stock, but pillar bedded it with some sleeves I had laying around. The rifle's butt ugly, but will shoot .35" groups all the time! Reason I gotta laugh about it is while this was going on two guys we new got new Remington 700PS's in .308. Both guys rebarreled them with Obermeyer barrels and national match chambers. All the gunsmith work was done by a former FBI armorer that did nothing but snipers rifles for them. Their rifles shot well as they should have. But no better than Tony's ugly duckling! Knowing Tony, I doubt he had $200 in the rifle!
My question is why so little love for the push feed m70 action ? I have one now that I'm debating whether I should keep and rebarrel it or sell it off. It's a wsm action and it seems well made and I never hear horror storys about them like I have experienced with my 700 Remington.
my push feed Mod. 70 in 6BR will shoot in the mid to low threes if I do my part. But I'll be the first person to tell you I learned a lot of hard lessons with those two Mod. 70's I bought. Looking back at the .223, I think it was doomed from the start due to the barrel quality. Had I simply replaced the barrel and done everything else to it that I did, I think it would have been a .30" rifle. I really liked their design, but the two I had needed some serious work to make them shoot tight groups. Perhaps I could have tried fire lapping the .223 barrel, but just never did.