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What is a good group? Really???

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Unread 02-23-2004, 07:24 PM
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Re: What is a good group? Really???

Hey Ric.. It ain't a solid answer, really, btu when I want a little perspective put into what I'm doing I read some of 'ol Don Lewis' writings.. He had a unique way of telling ya that it doesn't have to shoot to BR standards to be fun.. I've become more interested in how far from my point of aim my hit was than how close together they hit.. For my purposes that first shot is what counts.. I still like nice tight little round groups but I ain't gonna get my undies inna wad over it..
.. The targets you show look like dead varmints, to me.. Enjoy.! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] d:^) JiNC

PS- Are ya settin' up to go shootin' with "James in TN".?? Hehehe..
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Unread 02-23-2004, 07:36 PM
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Nice shooting Ric. Was that from a bench or bipod? The best I've ever shot from a bipod was 3 shots into 3" at 600yds with my 300 RUM LR hunting rifle and I was elated with that. In excellent conditons and from a bench I've shot some 3 shot groups at 1000yds in the 4" range with it. In my book your groups are awesome.
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Unread 02-23-2004, 08:14 PM
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Re: What is a good group? Really???

These groups are from a factory Rem synthetic heavy barrle varmint 26" 22-250 with hand loads 50 v-max 38gr Re15 fed welfare primers at 3825fps. It was shot at 600 yards with a 7mph 1/4ing wind. It mesures 2 3/8" out side to out side.

The hits where 2"left and 3/4" high from poa,miss read the wind a bit.

[ 02-23-2004: Message edited by: Crazycooydog ]
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Unread 02-23-2004, 09:22 PM
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This was the last group I shot at 820 with my factory 30-378 Accumark just before hunting season. I have since pulled the stock off and sold it to Texas Dave and am still in the process of putting a MBR on it. As far as from point of aim, I shot at an identical archery target to the left of this one. The group therefore started 20" to the right of aim point.

This was with those good old 200 grain Accubonds and 106 grains of Retumbo. You reckon that bottom one would be up with the other two if it didn't have that awful 3/8" of freebore and that terrible belt?

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Unread 02-24-2004, 12:03 AM
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What is a good group? Really???

I think we all know that a good group at 100 yards is .5 or less but what is a good group at a little distance? Would it be safe to say that MOA is a good group? or Better to say .5 MOA
1 MOA 1" at 100, 2" at 200, 3" at 300 etc
and .5 MOA
.5" at 100. 1" at 200, 1.5" at 300...

I shot a group ( 3 shots ) at 550 yards yesterday and I was wondering what is expected group wise to have a great shooting rifle? After we get some input I'll post the pic of the group...

I think we know the 1K BR guys are shooting 6-10" groups.. thats great but that is from a "competion rifle" what would be expected from their hunting rifle?

Awaiting thoughts...
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Unread 02-24-2004, 12:13 AM
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Re: What is a good group? Really???

Personally, for my hunting rifle (Ruger M77 7mm Rem) I'm happy with anything under 1" MOA. Sometimes she suprises me with .5 or less, but with strictly hunting ammo, an inch will do just fine. Heck, with my surplus guns(fickle iron sights/tired eyes), I'm confident stepping into the woods after holding a 3" group. In the end, it really comes down to how far I expect to shoot my gun. No shots will be taken with the war rifles beyond a Hundred.
Hope this helps
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Unread 02-24-2004, 12:18 AM
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Re: What is a good group? Really???

I like .5moa from my varmint/tactical guns, --the smaller , the better. I like to see 1" at 300yds ideally, but 1.5" is good too.

For the BR gun, i'd like to see 3/4 at 300 and 2" or better at 600.

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