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What is a good group? Really???

 
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Old 02-23-2004, 01:28 PM
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Re: What is a good group? Really???

I figured somone would bring that up.. that's why stated both rifles.. just saying I realize there is a differnce as to NOT start a ******* contest... I still remain stubbor to my aguement though..ok, now that we are all over that...
3 shot groups.. yeah, I figured someone would bring that up too. If I have to I'll shoot 5 shots Or 10 if that's what it takes... 1 shot could be lucky, 2 shots maybe luck but not as much.. if you can do it a 3rd time.. I feel there has to be something valid about it... until someone can shoot a smaller 3 shot group from a hunting/tactical rifle or even match this group then they really can't say to much as to the 3 shot theory. In a tactical/hunting rifle the first shot is the most important as you eluded to that fact as well.

I also realized this is very subjective but I was looking for some reference point. Maybe a stardard of sorts..
ie: Stock Rifles, semi-customs, full customs...

I am just trying to see what the opinion is of a good groups other than 100 yards...
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Old 02-23-2004, 02:25 PM
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Re: What is a good group? Really???

WyoWhisper
I know what your saying I just don't know the answer. I'm like you and hunt not bench rest, I have a custom "HUNTING" gun and also like to try and shot groups for comparisons.

Just a little friendly harassment glad you have a good sense of humor, especially sence I have a custom hunting gun also and would like to think the money was well spent and I didn't get second hand work because it was for hunting [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Old 02-23-2004, 04:00 PM
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Re: What is a good group? Really???

I understand the subjectiveness, and where you're coming from, and it's probably more valuable as to progress than what is "good" IMHO.

I don't think what is good is subjective at all though, it's pretty well a fact what is good at 1000 BR, and BR... no subjectivity about it, you're either competitive or you are not. I really don't think from that perspective we are in disagreement either??

A gun that shoots in the 2's, maybe low 3's would be great "to me". When mine shoots in the 2's and 3's I'm happy, 4's is ok but lacking something. Very leathal, but still lacking from where I could be. That's three shots at 300yds, and shot more times than 5 groups to really verify it, and never exceeding those numbers, NOT AN AVERAGE group size. I don't do averages on groups, I need to have a guarantee on what to count on, and if it's .4 or .5 or .7, that's what it is. Change something to lower it, or account for it.

I would expect more from a BR rig beacuase it uses a heavier barrel that should put 5 or more in the same group, the same size because it's more temp stable, and no other reason. It's my opinion, that with three shots from each, you should not be able to tell the difference between a heavy gun, and a tactical/custom hunting rig.

.6 - .7 MOA for a standard factory stick is good, and in my book, isn't worth any more foolin around with to get better. Big 30 cal's that is. .4 - .5 for the smaller stuff and I'm done and happy.

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Old 02-23-2004, 06:00 PM
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Yeah, I have a pretty good sense of humor.. just ask Dave King and his wife .. they are the most annoying people but after they said they wanted to pay me to visit Cody and Yellowstone they became the most generous, gracious and intelligent people on the planet. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] ... you out there Dave?

Here are the groups I shot yesterday at 550 yards. To me they are good, but are they good in the relms of this LR game we play?
They are more of a testiment to the quality craftsmanship built in the rifles than they are to my shooting ability...

A5 300 WSM, 175 gr SMK at 3115 fps


A5 308, 175 SMK at 2725 fps


A5 308, 175 SMK at 2725 fps 2nd group fired 5 min. after the one above.


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Re: What is a good group? Really???

If it wouldn't "highjack" this thread too badly, Id like to see "how far from point of aim" brought into this discussion.
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Old 02-23-2004, 06:56 PM
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Len,

Very good question and it was where I was going to go with it eventually...

on the first target I was aiming at the blue diamond at the bottom you see there.. not sure which shot number hit the diamond... I'd say I was about 1.5" on average of my POA.

for the other tagets: first one (top ) I was 4" to the left of POA I missread the wind obviously.
The second ( bottom ) I was 1" right and 3" high.
In my mind that is acceptable for hunting. But I would like honest opinions if that is acceptable for others...

To be quite honest I am preping myself for sniper competitions and want a comparison as to what is needed to be accurately competitive.
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[img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] Nice shootin!! Sorry I didn't get down to the Sports mans show in Harisburg Pa. Gun poor at the moment. Maybe next year. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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