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What can't .223 kill?

 
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:25 AM
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Re: What can't .223 kill?

Humane kills every time...??? doesn't really happen that way. No one that I've ever hunted with could claim a humane kill every time, myself included, “with or without” the “biggest & best” shooter in the woods.
In a perfect world'..., I'm sure we all wish we could make a ethical kill everytime for the animals benefit... but’…, I've never seen, met or known anyone that good; that has, ever hunted "big game" for any length of time make that claim either. That emotional path is a little Pollyanna in my book.
Back to the question; can a .223 Rem kill big game? Yep
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Re: What can't .223 kill?

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Back to the question; can a .223 Rem kill big game?
Actually, that isn't the question. The question is, "What can't .223 kill?" The answer is, Humpback whales.

Watch someone come back with a 223 humpback whale story. :O
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Re: What can't .223 kill?

[QUOTE=436;391117]Humane kills every time...??? doesn't really happen that way. No one that I've ever hunted with could claim a humane kill every time, myself included, “with or without” the “biggest & best” shooter in the woods.
In a perfect world'..., I'm sure we all wish we could make a ethical kill everytime for the animals benefit... but’…, I've never seen, met or known anyone that good; that has, ever hunted "big game" for any length of time make that claim either. That emotional path is a little Pollyanna in my book.

Exactly !!!

That is why A larger caliber should be used on large game and not at all on dangerous game.

In the earlier post I stated that the 223 could kill anything on earth, But so could a 577 T Rex
but why kill P Dogs with a 577 and why kill any thing larger than a yote with a 223.

It is not a perfect world and you should use the rifle that would at least have a chance of a
ONE SHOT KILL every time so when that not so good shot is made it can still turn out well.

I realize that this is an argument that cannot be settled so I have stated my opinion just like
everyone else and the choice is yours.

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Old 05-15-2010, 06:03 AM
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Re: What can't .223 kill?

Sounds like we're actually in agreement - it *can* kill about anything. The question that this type question always seems to morph into is "should" it be used for this or that - then the debate starts to turn messy. I dislike anyone wanting to apply their belief system, or their perceived right and wrong on others. When I see this it comes across to me as hearing "you're not smart enough to make your own decision, so here's my judgment - use it in place of your own". That may not be the intent most of the time, but I believe it's why these sort of discussions morph into what they do.

In my opinion, so long as someone is within the game regulations they're a-ok in my book. There is a time and a place for every gun we own, and it's up to the shooter to use his discretion.

As for my personal experience guiding - I'd MUCH rather have a guy come on a deer hunt with a .223 that he knows how to shoot than a guy show up with a .338 cuz he likes to look cool at the range. I've experienced too many misses with big guns and very few with the smaller caliber hunters.
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:27 PM
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Re: What can't .223 kill?

Ok... here the deal… I very much enjoy yakking with all of you over your points of view; as well as expressing mine. And I agree, these types of discussions have the ability to morph into something else in a hillbilly heart beat.

Everyone has made some very interesting and informative comments in this area. No one is wrong, their views are like any other persons view; it all depends on where you’re standing in the world when you make the comment, right in one spot; wrong in another spot.

If I’ve stilted anyone, I apologies; it was not intentional. I take other peoples points of view very serious, they’ve taken their valuable time to set down and make them known and the very least I can do is respect them.

Of late I’ve seen a trend in the AR’s world to push the platform with (hunting diameter over .22 cal) but I the .30 30 power range. At the same time I see the bullet guy’s coming out with more and better .22 cal bullet that can be used for hunting things like deer hunting where legal… kinda sends the hunter a mixed message perhaps.

Don’t get me wrong’…, I have no problem with AR’s as a hunting platform, and I sure don’t want to start that conversation (can you say; Zumbo) I guess what I’m saying is more and more hunts are taking AR’s into the field in other calibers, they are also taking quite a few afield in .223 Rem, and the after action reports are pretty good on there performance. Be then its back to ethical or not and what can’t or can a .223 Rem kill.
Perhaps it’s something of a trick question… and all roads lead back to home (the hunter) and what he feels about what he is hunting and what he’s hunting with.

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Re: What can't .223 kill?

A 223 is capable of killing humpback whale. With help from technology, bullet selection is better than ever. Along with shot placement that is needed for each different specie.

Larger caliber simply have less margin of error if shots are good placement.

Key is the right bullet at the recommended impact velocity with good shot placement.

quick fact- Hogs have a thick armor plate and has stopped 30-06 from penetrating in less than 100yd. Resulting in a wounded hog that most likely survived because of bad shot placement or could've been prevented with a different bullet.

I would be amazed if anyone can kill a coyote with a boat tail non-expanding .223 bullet while not hitting any nervous system (brain/spine).

Good luck!
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Re: What can't .223 kill?

The .223 Remington can be loaded with varmint bullets or with big game bullets such as a 75-grain Swift Scirocco II. That bullet could kill a Cape Buffalo, but maybe not before the buffalo killed the shooter. A killing round and a stopping round are not the same thing. A mule deer at 200 yards and a cape buffalo ready to charge you are two different things.

The original question is hard to answer because it was poorly asked. Being able to kill and being able to kill quickly and reliably are two different things. I would use a .223 Rem cartridge, provided it had the right bullet, up to about 300 yards on an average size mule deer, under good shooting conditions. How soon do you need the animal stopped and dead, and under what conditions?

For really long distances and windy days, you should move up to a 6.5mm to 7mm bullet, and bigger than that for really big game like elk and buffalo.

However, at short enough ranges where you can definitely place the bullet properly and where you have a clear shot at vital organs, a .223 Rem with a heavy-for-caliber and tough bullet should be able to take game bigger than mule deer quite reliably.

This only applies to those who will hold the shot if everything isn't right. In situations where you feel you MUST shoot at any opportunity that comes along, or where you may be in danger, then a bigger cartridge is called for. I live in a state with no caliber restrictions on big game, as it probably couldn't be enforced anyway. If anything, it seems most people use too heavy a cartridge to cover up their inadequacies. Automobiles do most of the killing of big game that is not recovered and thus wasted, so that is a bigger concern than subcaliber firearms.
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