Which caliber due you guy's recommend for 500-600yd shots?? I would like something reasonably flat shooting so that I don't have to carry a ballistic's computer in my pocket to figure out the bullet drop. I'm mulling over the 338 Lapua magnum, 30/378 Weatherby and I have seen this crowd mention the Tomahawk many times although I know nothing of it? Why do people complain about the belted mags like Weatherby? What is the recoil from the 338 Lapua like are muzzle brakes effective on the 338 Lapua? Anybody have any comments on the TRG-S M995 super magnum 338 Lapua? Thanks for any comments! [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
I would think a fast .264" caliber would do fine, though most will probably say .308". Really any inbetween would do as well, so long as you get a decent bullet weigh and get it moving at a decent clip.
I'd take a .308", 180g or heavier, going around 2800 fps or faster. That means 300 Winchester or bigger.
As for bullet drop, there's no way I'd go out planning a 500-600yd shot and not take a rangefinder.
And all you need for a ballistics computer is a small piece of paper, since you'll have practiced out to as far as you're going to shoot, and will know the "real world" bullet drop for your load. Not a big deal.
Given that, I'd take a shot at a deer with good presentation, just this side of 500 yd, with a 165g going 2900 from an '06 if that's what I had.
But I don't. I have a 270g .358" going 2900 fps. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
A lot depends on what you are shooting at. I hunt elk every fall with a 7.5 lb. .300 Jarrett pushing 200gr. bullets at just a hair over 3K fps. Its' relatively flat shooting and has the punch to humanely kill elk at the ranges you have described. I use an IOR MP8 reticle ( 1/2 mil )and feel confident ranging elk out to 500 yds with it. I also have my trajectories memorized out to this range, and I practice, a lot. That said, I have shot a couple of elk at around 500 yds. with a 30-06 and 180 gr bullets with good results. I use a muzzle brake on this rifle because it works, very well.
Bullet is probably more important than case to a point. A high BC is a must for taking game at long range, it will not hurt if the high BC bullet is traveling at a good rate of speed + 3000fps. If a gun will take game at 1000yds it will kill it all the way back to you. Pick out a caliber that you can handle easily, muzzle brakes are wonderful
and longer barrels spell more vel but there is no replacing bullet placement.Don't try to
make one gun do all! You need an excuse for more guns.
Which caliber due you guy's recommend for 500-600yd shots?? 30 cal. 300 WSM, WM, Ultra or Lapua. I would like something reasonably flat shooting so that I don't have to carry a ballistic's computer in my pocket to figure out the bullet drop.You'll have to deal with monitoring and acounting for varying atmospheric conditions one way or another if shooting way out there, your choice how. The Kestrel 4000 and pocket PC programs do work very well. Flat shooting will get you so far, but there's a point you're just fooling yourself if you think things don't have enough effect to cause a miss or wounding shot placement. I'm mulling over the 338 Lapua magnum, 30/378 Weatherby and I have seen this crowd mention the Tomahawk many times although I know nothing of it? Why do people complain about the belted mags like Weatherby? The 30/378 is the fastest, but it has a belt, short neck, and proven a throat burner. The belt can't be sized back down on the big WBY, and it will expand and get too tight with hotter loads. Larry Willis makes a collet die for the smaller ones. WBY brass is $2.00 each, Lapua is $1.30 each and can be sized down to keep from getting tight, it's also a boatload stronger! I shoot both brass, one a 30-338 Lapua Imp, the other the 416 WBY. The Tomahawk won't get you much more than the Ultra, and still uses soft Remington brass, and you still need custom dies $$$. The 300 Ultra Mag's body is blown out to .005" per inch body taper, and has a 35 deg shoulder instead of 30. The neck length is retained for headspacing purposes, so that's the 300 Tomahawk. What is the recoil from the 338 Lapua like are muzzle brakes effective on the 338 Lapua? Like a real hot loaded 338 WM. Get a brake, they're very effective on ANYTHING. Anybody have any comments on the TRG-S M995 super magnum 338 Lapua? Thanks for any comments! I think Darryl Castle had one for sale here recently, and there's a few other guys here that use them too.
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Re: What caliber do you guy\'s recomend???
[ 01-28-2004: Message edited by: meichele ]
Long range shooting is a process that ends with a result. Once you start to focus on the result (how bad your last shot was, how big the group is going to be, what your buck will score, what your match score is, what place you are in...) then you loose the capacity to focus on the process.
This is my first post on this site. Doc King encouraged me to do so, so here I am.
I'm thinking of a "long" range 338 but don't know what yet. Is an AI Lapua worth the effort (how much is truely gained)? What about the large Lazzeroni's (I would REALLY like to hear from someone who has experince with those)?? My goal is a 300gr SMK at 3000fps (doable with a long barreled Lapua). In which case, how much more can be gained by going with a 416Rigby version/wildcat???