Originally Posted by idaho elk hunter
Please do not get me wrong here as I am a Weatherby only gunsmith. The Vanguard is a marketing firearm sold to boost profits. It is not USA made and it is not Weatherby design. It is Made by HOWA in JAPAN.
Once that is said it is a formidable action and is inherently accurate. It is not as strong or as good of engineering as the Mark 5.
For those that want to feel special owing a "weatherby" on the cheap I suppose it feels this void. ( it wasn't worth the capitalization)
If you know much about the history of the Howa Vanguard actions, Weatherby contracted Howa, way back when, to build an economic introduction level rifle/action for Weatherby and to use the Mark V as the model. The Howa action does in fact have many of the same features as the Mark V, the main differences being the length (Howas are a little shorter) and the bolt. Both are one piece bolts but the Mark V's have the 6 and 9 little lug configurations which IMO are marketing gimmicks that leave a lot to be desired from a functional engineering point of view. I much prefer the beefy 3 lug bolts.
I don't buy Howas, Vanguards or any rifle to "feel special". I'm not that insecure. If I want a "special" action I would get a good custom action vs a factory mass produced product. That said the mass produced Vanguards serve me very well and I've done 2 builds on them so far with more planned.
As for strength and engineerig.... the Mark V's are a good strong action but how much stronger than a Howa is pure speculation.... which I doubt you have real data or basis to claim, just like you have no data to claim that a "7 RM can out pound a 300 WM".... just BS is all.
So, how exactly, are the Mark V's engineered any differently than the Howa's other than the itty bitty lugs?