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Walking or light rifle... elk at 600 yards

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Unread 12-28-2009, 12:19 AM
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Re: Walking or light rifle... elk at 600 yards

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It sounds to me like you're describing the 300 WSM you sold.
I think you're right! When I bought the WSM I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. But now that its gone I don't miss it and if I went with another 300 I'd like to try 200 to 210 gr bullets. Seems like the Win Mag would be better for these heavier bullets. But the action would be a few ounces heavier I suppose.

I've been an archery hunter so I don't have any experience with bullets and flesh. I've always thought that heavier is better, especially with handguns. When I started shooting rifles I got into the faster is better camp, but now I llike the idea of heavier bullets especially if something goes wrong and a bullet intended for lungs finds its way into the shoulders. At these distances the bullet takes 1/2 to 1 second to get to the target and the animal could move. Maybe I am over-analyzing?

Guys seem to have great success with bullets lighter than 180gr at medium ranges and I can appreciate the 180gr bullets with super high BC in .30 cal and 7mm. They have high muzzle velocites, but the high retained velocity is what impresses me. Maybe this makes up for less bullet mass?

I usually move pretty fast once I make up my mind, but that's the hard part right now. I just need to pick a bullet, then a case to drive it, and build the rifle. I've learned from my other hobbies that sometimes you need to live with something a little while before you know if it works or not. Sometimes internet research, talking, and thinking only go so far. I've gotten to the point where I'll sell things if I find that they don't do what I want rather than live with them. Selling a bolt action generally means a pretty good loss financially though so I need to catious with this one. I suppose that it would be cheaper than that... just rebarrel so its really not as risky as I think assuming I have the right size action.

180 (wsm) vs 200 (300 win) vs 225 (338 win)

I'll let you guys know what I decide...
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Re: Walking or light rifle... elk at 600 yards

[HTML][When I started shooting rifles I got into the faster is better camp, but now I llike the idea of heavier bullets especially if something goes wrong and a bullet intended for lungs finds its way into the shoulders./HTML]

Over all you certainly seem to be on the right track. I would however consider bullet construction ahead of bullet weight when it comes to shoulder shots for maximum penetration. I would look to retained weight more than starting weight when evaluating bullet performance on marginal shots (along with the bullets frontal area).

I would choose 165/168 grain bullet for example with 90+% weight retention over a 65% weight retention 180 if they have similar frontal expansion when it comes to busting thru a shoulder or on a quartering shot.

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Re: Walking or light rifle... elk at 600 yards

4th point, any of those cartridges would do well for you and as a side note... the 300 WSM is very capable of shooting a 200-210 gr bullet very well. With RL17 my chrony read an average velocity of 2935 with the 210 Bergers. I think the 180 bullets are probably ideal for the WSM although the heavier bullets will arive on target with a little more thump.

Mark
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Re: Walking or light rifle... elk at 600 yards

UPDATE...

Hi guys,

Just wanted to let everyone know what I decided in case anyone was curious. I decided to go with a 300 Win Mag. I thought the 338 might have too much recoil for me in a 6.5 lb bare rifle (I've never shot a 338 before), and it seems like the 300 Win Mag might handle 200gr+ bullets better than the 300 WSM (at least with 24" barrels). Since I had such good performance from the Tikka in 300 WSM, I decided to try a blued one in 300 Win Mag. I was worried about barrel life and originally wanted a Savage (mostly because of the barrel nut), but the cost and features of the Tikka won in the end. I'll deal with a worn barrel when I get to it.

It took me awhile since I had to sell some other firearms to make the purchase. Actually, the rifle was the least expensive part. The plan is to do more rifle hunting (normally hunt with a bow), and I needed to upgrade some other equipment as well. The Tikka will be my one-rifle battery for all hunts until I can afford a big 338. With familiy needs growing, it'll probably be awhile before I can buy another rig.

Anyway, I've got an EGW 20 MOA rail, Limbsaver, 208 AMAX, and 200 Accubonds on order. Got 2lbs of Retumbo at home to try out first. I'll use my 6-24x50 Bushnell 4200 Tactical from another rifle that was sold. I also had some extra money leftover from selling my firearms, so I was able to buy more reloading gear, and a pair of 8x30 Swaro binos to go along with my Swaro LRF, and Sandpiper spotting scope. I still need a decent bipod and tripod, and might replace the Sandpiper with an ED-50. We'll see. The money is almost all gone! But, I feel pretty good about the way things have turned out. I don't make a ton of money, so its been a mind numbing challenge to compare needs vs wants.

What seemed like a difficult and expensive journey (buying rifle, scope, LRF, spotter, etc.) has finally become a reality. Now I can focus on reloading, shooting, scouting, and hunting.

Thanks for all the responses and great advice.

Jason

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Re: Walking or light rifle... elk at 600 yards

Congratulations!

I have never owned a bushnell 4200 so do not know what eye relief it has. Be causious working up loads. The bearing surface of the 200 grain 30 caliber bullets are much longer than on the 338. That interprets to recoil.

I still have a couple of heavy hitting rifles and both have Leupold 4" eye relief 6.5 X 20 scopes on them.

Neal
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Thanks for the reminder on eye relief Neal. The 4200 is pretty short in that regard and has been my biggest concern using that scope. If need be, I'll replace it with something else but I'm hoping that it'll work out.
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Re: Walking or light rifle... elk at 600 yards

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