Originally Posted by 4th_point
As much as I'd like to get a 338 Edge/RUM/Lapua, I think what I need right now is something that can anchor elk, moose, and black bear at ~600 yards. I currently own a heavy 243 (for varmints & targets) and a 35 Remington (just for fun and pigs if I get a chance to go south), but nothing for large game at 'medium' ranges. I had a 300 WSM that was boringly accurate, but sold it for another project.
A few weeks ago I asked about the 300 Win Mag vs. RUM for 1000 to 1200 yards and I got some great advice. A big 338 seems like the way to go for a dedicated longrange rig, and the 300 Win Mag seems like a great all-around rifle as well. In my mind, these would need to have long, heavy barrels and would not be ideal for hiking or when jumping animals.
Instead of those longrange rigs, I think I need something more versatile. Right now, I think I will have more opportunities at 400 to 600 yards than at 1200 yards and want something that won't be burden to carry.
I'm thinking either a 300 Win Mag or 338 Win Mag that weighs 6.5 to 7.5 lbs without scope. A Kimber 84M Montana would be great at 5lbs, but I don't think I'd feel confident in shooting an elk much past 300 yards with the cartridges its chambered for (260, 7mm-08, 308, 338Fed).
So what do you guys think? 300WM with 200gr Accubond or 338WM with 225gr Accubond? I have to admit that for 600 yards I am leaning towards the 338. Even though the 225gr is only 15% heavier than the 200gr, it seems like the extra bullet weight could come in handy. Plus, if I ever go to Alaska (some friends go every year) I think the 338 would give me extra confidence (maybe just my imagination) for big black bears and moose. Would either the 300 or 338 be suitable for shoulder shots on big black bears, moose, or bull elk at 600 yards, or is that placement not advisable?
I previously owned a T3 in 300 WSM (8 lbs total weight) and recoil was not an issue (shot 40 rounds in one session). I had great luck shooting at 400+ yards with this rifle. I have not shot a 338 however, and I do not want a muzzle brake on this new rifle. Also, I have shot with good success at 600 yards with a 308, have reloading equipment, LRF, spotting scope, etc.
Thanks in advance,
Well Jason are you thoroughly confused yet ?
There is a lot of good advice to wade through and If you can just start back with your post
and apply all of the advice so that you will end up with exactly what you wanted you should
end up with a great rifle for your needs.
I always try to evaluate all possibilities and then make a checklist for the person wanting
the custom rifle and let them check off all of the pros and cons to come to a final decision.
It looks something this;
Type of animal =
max distance to be hunted=
(These two things will normally help decide what caliber and bullet weight.)
Type of terrain and distance from transportation to hunting (How much walking)
This will give one a ideal weight and overall length for the rifle.
How much recoil you can tolerate is very important and the bigger the cartridge/bullet
combination the more recoil so based on recoil the decision to install a muzzle break
becomes important and with the break comes the necessity for hearing protection.
Also another important factor is whether you reload or want to buy factory ammo.
Next is wild cats (Non factory chamberings) they can produce extra benefits but
there are issues with them that must be addressed.
I hope this helps you come to a best all round rifle for your purpose and use.
J E CUSTOM