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Ultimate barrel length ?

 
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Old 04-05-2003, 07:51 AM
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Ultimate barrel length ?

At what barrel length (actualy it's expansion ratio) do you no longer get a velocity increase? Is there a formula for this?
I got into this discussion on another board, and my "senior moment" memory came up with a 50/1 rule of thumb. It is a friendly discussion, so if I was incorrect I won't be pilleried over their.
The deep ballistics expertese, and friendly nature, of this board led me to post here instead of on one of the "bubba-n-buddies" boards.
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Old 04-05-2003, 08:13 AM
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Re: Ultimate barrel length ?

Hmmm,,
I bet Dave King or Ian someone with an educational back groud that make the rest of us go "doh" would know..

In my experience with the .308 to many hours of experimenting and shooting to recall...

I have a 23.5" barrel and ( accourding to my notes) after 46.3 grs of varget I do not get any more increase in velocity. I max out at 2770 fps with a 168 SMK...
46.5 grs 2770
47.0 grs 2770

I assuume I don't have enough barrel to burn all the powder effectively....

but I am no physics expert or whatever expert this takes to figure out.... "DOH"!!
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Old 04-05-2003, 09:38 AM
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Re: Ultimate barrel length ?

Dan Lilja wrote an interesting article on this. he started with a 46 inch barrel and did some tests and kept chopping it down by 2 inches. he ended up with a 24 inch barrel and he documented velocities he got at various barrel lengths. check it out.
http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles...l_velocity.htm
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Old 04-05-2003, 08:57 PM
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Re: Ultimate barrel length ?

Back in the old days, say, 16/1700's It was found that a black powder cannon would cease to gain velocity after 7' of barrel, no matter what diameter. Many Shipboard cannon had thier barrels cut off to save weight and help the ship to manuver faster.

I would guess that you're gonna find that the length is entirely dependant upon the propellant. If you shoot a Swift with 3031 it's gonna run out of usefullness for more barrel length a lot earlier than a 300RUM using R25. The same 300RUM simply cannot use 3031 because of the speed at which pressure is made. However, you can test for yourself with the swift or 223 if you have one handy. Go try magnum primers with R22/25 H1000 or H4831 in a 22 with 55gr bullets. You will see that the real slow powders will stop making velocity no matter how much you put in because your 22 has a real short barrel and the bullet is gone in 60% of the time a 30cal bullet would be in the same length barrel. Now, don't go loading your RUM with H380 to find out how that works or we'll be reading about you as a statistic. You won't blow up a 22 with a light bullet with slow powder but a big gun with fast powder is a very bad idea.

Some of the powders like R25 and H1000 never really do burn completely. They are so slow, they are nearly not flamable. You can dump H1000 on the sidewalk and throw a match on it and it won't light on fire. It will continue to make additional pressure in a VERY long barrel, but won't make much initial pressure. (A good thing in a big magnum) Pressure is what makes powder burn, and, if the pressure becomes very high, the powder burns faster. A catch 22 deal. That's why a certain powder like say 4895 will be finicky in a magnum about how much can be loaded. as you go up in charge, all of the sudden, it ALL burns immediately and the pressure curve rises very sharply for a small increase in powder.

The high and low of it, it depends on the powder. You can test with any gun you own how it works.
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