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Turning my own Solid Brass bore riders For the 338 Lapua

 
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Old 06-10-2009, 04:59 AM
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Turning my own Solid Brass bore riders For the 338 Lapua

I was looking through the harbor frieght tools catalog the other day and I saw a micro lathe for $300. I was almost instantley reminded of how Lehigh bullets wants $50 some dollars for a box of 50 338 projectiles. Has anyone ever attempted to turn thier own bullets out of solid brass or copper stock. I would imagine one could invest in a box of bullets and then just copy the dimensions. but somehow I see a ruined 27'' schneider barrel in my future. Any thoughts? I am a competent person, but alas I'm no gunsmith/machineist.
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Old 06-10-2009, 11:44 AM
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Re: Turning my own Solid Brass bore riders For the 338 Lapua

AL,

If you are competent at basic machine work (holding tolerances), there should be no fear of ruining a barrel.

A true "bore-rider" will require a purpose specific chamber however, and recalibrated bourrelet dimensions to accomodate throat wear.

The brass alloy which you will most likely come across is C-360. This has a very high zinc content (~35%), and does not act particularly well as a bearing material. It will tend to "plate-out" in the bore... but it is common, and inexpensive. If you move up to a bronze, or copper alloy, you will rapidly appreciate the material cost.

Have fun.

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Noel
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Re: Turning my own Solid Brass bore riders For the 338 Lapua

Great reply! It sounds like you have experiance turning solid bullets and machineing. have you personally turned any bullets for personal use? If so a few pictures would be great. I am curious at how I would turn an ogive. Correct me If I am wrong but there are ways to set a lathe to make tapered cuts right? It seems that short of buying a CNC machine the size or a semi that turning consistant ogives would be a pretty major task.
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Re: Turning my own Solid Brass bore riders For the 338 Lapua

The $300.00 would best be used buying the bullets from Lehigh.

My brother bought one of the harbor freigt lathes at a yard sale one time for $100.00 he brought back here to my shop set it up beside my Okuma CNC lathe, he said we could use it for something and that it was only $100.00. It works ok to put small stuff in maybe to run some emory cloth on. But it will not accuratley cut anything....anything. It will just barley turn aluminum.

To actully produce a bullet on a manual lathe with a radius ogive would be very difficult, and very time comsuming. You can cut a taper with a manual lathe but requires, a compond ,or a taper attachment, or off setting the tail stock. None of them would be an econonmcal choice to make bullets.

But it if you wanting to machine something just as a hobby dont waste your time or money on one of the Harbor Friegt machines. The will never be able to produce a good quality part, in a timely manner..... or maybe at all
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Re: Turning my own Solid Brass bore riders For the 338 Lapua

Ok good to know thanks for the info. Harbor frieght dosen't have a forum so I can't just go on and ask these sort of questions. I have never priced CNC lathes. What kind of $$$ and I looking at? Then you have to have a computer to program it all and I imagine a degree to go with it. besides that could someone post a list of the solid bullet manufacturers so we could all go and have a look.
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Re: Turning my own Solid Brass bore riders For the 338 Lapua

AL,

Unless you are approaching this from a purely recreational perspective, the investment is significant.

If you examine the nose, and tail, of a Barnes solid, you will see that they are not point turned (and are realtively crude). The precise cutting is on the body only. This forming method could be adapted economically to a home/hobbiest environment.

Swiss lathes are great. They only make sense for mass production of a single part profile however, and the cams alone will cost ~$800 per set-up. CNC is versatile, but definitely not a "hobby" level investment.

Yes, I do cut bullets. There are controlled expansion test results, of a hunt version, which you will see shortly in a report at this site. Photos of some of the earlier prototypes are in multiple threads at Sniper's Hide. They are an engraving-band configuration, which is quite different than the bore-rider concept.

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Re: Turning my own Solid Brass bore riders For the 338 Lapua

Noel, my understanding of the term "band" when used with bullets meant it was a borerider (GS Custom). full diameter bullets were referred to as a "groove" design (Barnes).what am i missing?any plans for a 338 10 twist hunting bullet?
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