Have you considered E-Tips? Everything about them is better than the Barnes bullets. They are made from a gulided metal which is much more tough than the copper Barnes bullets. They also have a higher BC. They open wider, with 4 wide jagged petals that will do a lot of damage. I prefer them to any other hunting bullets other than The GS bullets. I have just started using them here in MT where I dont "have" to. Have not connected with game yet, but I have pulled a couple from the dirt out of my 300 RUM. Very impressive. Try them.
I'm going to put on my bullet maker hat again and then just read everyone elses discussion on this subject ANY bullet in the kill zone will kill something at these ranges including solids; they just run off for a ways before they tip over. My thought is, why use something that costs more to do a lesser job? There is no doubt in my mind that they don't perform well at longer distances and I'm hearing a lot of discussion on poor performance at closer ranges. I'm not trying to put anyone down that uses them and I'm not picking on Barnes. I don't like ANY of the solid coppers! I guess that's why we have ford, toyota an Government Motors! We can chose what WE like. The main thing is, we can all enjoy shooting whatever we want. NO MONOS FOR ME
I have taken a quite a few head of game withe the TSX bullet and have seen a lot more taken with them close to 100 head of game in all. The TSX bullets are extremely lethal at close rangas well as at distance
I took the doe at 777 yards with a 180 TSX from my 300 win, it was a drop in the tracks kill
range it,check the wind, dial in correction, aim and only one shot
You guys have me wondering about the TSXs now. I shoot the TSX out of my 257Wby and they shoot really good. I've shot two antelope, (150yd, 660yd), two deer, (225yd, 250yd) and one coyote at 577yds. All dropped like a sack of bricks. I've never recovered a bullet yet. I'm not sure if they zipped right through or what. I want a bullet that imparts all it's energy in the animal. Not sure what to do here.
If you want a bullet that imparts all of it's energy to the animal, then you may want to try a Hornady AMAX it blows up and releases all of it's energy inside the deer Then again all of your deer have died (dropped like a sack of bricks) so why worry?
I will do some research and see if I can find any "on game" results (especially at long range).
From where I'm sitting, it doesn't look like you have much choice or much to loose There's always the GMX, but the 165 gr 308 cal GMX doen't have a great BC. But it will be gulded metal and toughe than the Barnes.
E-tip performance? I shot my cow elk last sunday with a 150 E-tip from my 7 rem mag. Velocity at impact (80 yds) was approx 3100 fps. It was a 30 degree "raking" shot. I put the bullet behind the shoulder and it exited through the lower neck area. It ran 60 yds. It was still standing so I put another behind the shoulder at 70 yds, the shot was closer to 90 degrees, it exited just behind the offside shoulder. That dropped her but she died slowly. GET THIS: upon examination the entrance holes for both shots were 1 3/4" diameter! Exit holes were diameter sized. Both shoulders had a ton of blood in the tissues around them but neither were hit. I couldn't believe the mess they made. I figured that they would act in a similar manner to the TSX. They were much more violent, so much so, that I thought maybe I had accidently switched my ammo and had ballistic tips! I moly coat so I had to rub off the moly from the tips and sure enough they were E-tips.
I asked Nosler about this and they said they had not encountered this problem. I was the first to complain about massive entrance wounds. Tech said maybe I had a improperly annealed lot of bullets? I could send some in for testing. HUH, qualtity control???? The tech did say I shot that animal close and the velocity was high. 3100 fps is high? Wonder what my 7 RUM would have done with another 300/400 fps? I realize that one animal is not sufficient to make a judgement.
I actually planned on shooting through both shoulders if the shot was available. Glad I didn't. The bullet seemed to perform very similarly to the partition with explosive entrance and small exit sized holes. Now I know. I'll continue to shoot them and will just have to let the animals get some distance before I shoot them. <grin>
I plan on doing some coyote calling soon, will see how they perform on a smaller body.
I had some pretty nasty entrance wounds on a Dall ram this season with a 180 gr eTip this past August. Shooting a 300 Win Mag and the range was 420 yds. I also was a bit surprised at the tissue/meat damage. It wasn't very similar to Barnes' mono-metal wound channels, which are typically meat gentle yet lethal bullets, in my experiences. I've shot a number of large game with Nosler Accubonds in .284 and .308 calibers and been much more happy with those wound channels than my one experience with the Nosler eTip. So I don't know what to make of the eTip at this time. I hadn't mentioned anything about my experience up until now because it was my one and only experience with them on a large game animal to date. But based on this experience, I had been planning on trying Barnes TSX or TTSX for closer range use (less than ~ 4-500 yd shots). I load and carry two bullets - one for shorter yardage and one for long yardage. Berger VLDs for the long yardage shots. Historically Nosler Accubonds (but considering a mono-metal) for closer yardage shots.