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Old 03-10-2013, 10:58 AM
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Re: TSX ogive changed- no notice!

Thanks for the perspective AZ. The fact that some manufacturers don't change the model # or print on their product to indicate a new design is a sign of laziness and makes their operations, no matter how large, seem like mom & pop operations.

What the manufacturers seem to miss is that reloaders are kind of like sports fans - we spend a lot of time and money deciding on a particular bullet and then they go and change the 1st and 2nd string lineup just before an important game without telling the fans. Its a good way to get fans to choose another team. In the case of going on a hunt unaware of a change in the bullet design, it could mean a wounded and lost animal or a missed shot altogether.

I will post results on the impact point and accuracy of the new ogive design.
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Old 03-10-2013, 02:57 PM
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Re: TSX ogive changed- no notice!

Every bullet making company I know of makes new pointing dies to shape the front half of their bullets when the old one wears out. Sometimes the use the same mill as before. Other times they use a new mill to shape the die cavity; it' won't have the exact same shape nor dimensions. Such is life. But that much difference is a bit much. Sierra Bullets may have the best machine shop crew and tools these days making their bullet making dies.

Years ago, Lapua bullets had match bullets from 3 or 4 different pointing machines in a box of them; proved by use of 20X optical comparitors checking their ogive shapes.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:17 PM
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Years ago, Lapua bullets had match bullets from 3 or 4 different pointing machines in a box of them; proved by use of 20X optical comparitors checking their ogive shapes.
That would be rather disturbing to me if intended on shooting them long range.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:21 PM
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Re: TSX ogive changed- no notice!

Not bagging on berger but I have a box of targets with 3 different sizes. I am sending in samples this week so they can review.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:21 PM
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Re: TSX ogive changed- no notice!

Here is the response Barnes sent back to me, which I thought is resonable from a PR standpoint anyway. We will see if there is different behavior using the same settings and load. Hey, at least they answered my email promptly and better accuracy is always welcomed! Man, it must be a ERP nightmare for them if they have 2 different models in the factory that have the same name and model #.


"Thank you for your email. Indeed we did change the O-give from a secant to tangent design as this helps with accuracy. During the year of transition we put notification in the box stating a change had been made. We advise customers to keep everything set the same and the majority have reported similar if not better results. We do still sale the old style of bullets upon request and can be ordered over the phone. "
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:15 PM
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Re: TSX ogive changed- no notice!

In response to my remarks that Lapua had different bullet ogive shapes:
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That would be rather disturbing to me if intended on shooting them long range.
Very true. In the 60's and '70's it was known amongst long rangers that 3 or 4 out of a box of Lapuas would end up in the 9 ring if the shot was called dead center. But most of the time, it was caused by severe unbalance; lead cores and/or bullet jackets were not all that uniform.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:15 PM
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Re: TSX ogive changed- no notice!

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That would be rather disturbing to me if intended on shooting them long range.
Lapua is now a sponor of the US F-Class open rifle team so what happen 50 or 40yrs ago isn't too important.

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