I would agree, I am not a 1000 yard BR smith, my customers are not in that competition as a rule.
I would also like to report that I just received a personal e-mail response from Jim Borden, this was his response to my questions:
The Alpine and Timberline actions are made to high quality specifications for concentricity and squareness-in fact the same specs as for the Rimrock actions. However--they do differ from the Rimrock actions in the following areas:
1. Bolt is fit to a target total clearance of 0.0025 inch versus .0005 on closing and .0015 on open with the Rimrock
2. The Alpine and Timberline have a turned finish on outside versus ground
3. The Alpine and Timberline have two piece bolts versus a 1 piece bolt
4. The trigger pocket in the Alpine/Timberline is cut with side cutter versus generated with endmill
Thanks for your interest in our product
From this I take that Jims receivers are ready to build on out of the box so I would agree with BH in that they are great options for someone looking for a mid priced quality receiver to build on.
Will also say Jim responded extremely quick as well, a sign of his dedication to his customers and rifles!!
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I think Jims new actions do have the Borden bumps. I was talking to him this weekend about them and I am pretty sure he stated the measurements on the bolt are off the bumps. Plus they will come set up for WSMs and Ultramags if you want for same price.
used rem triggers are around for $35-50 max and after market for under $100. Used mags and bottom metal are around also. You probably have a pile in your shop now except for WSMs. If he is spending $250-500 for both those, it sure is not for Rem original equip so that figure is for aftermarket triggers and bottom metal and that cost would have to be added to a Rem action aso.
Bruce Baer has the Lawton site and said he thought it was "Lawton Machines" in Montana but I could not find it either. Got to get back to him to find the site.
Clay Spencer just bought whole new CNC setups for barrels and milling and heard his actions will be out later this year so doubt it is on his website yet.
Something to keep in mind when you look at the equip list for BR setups many of the 700 actions are sleeved or set up in barrel blocks even on LGs. Neither of those mods would show on the equip list. Now some are not also, but the majority are. If a 700 is used on a HG, then 98% are barrel blocks.
Yes a 700 can be made to shoot just as good as custom in many cases. My first LG was sleeved 700 and my first HG was a barrel blocked 700. Both would shoot great. However, they are not near as smooth, have the shorter barrel tenon and you have to pull every trick in the book to do it normally.
BTW,I ordered a Timberline from Jim and these actions are ready for a barrel no truing nessesary,Jim never mentioned this action having Borden Bumps so I can"t say they do or Don"t,but I don"t expect them at the price he will be selling them at, they will have a fluted bolt and the receiver tapped for 8-40 screws which is a great upgrade over some of the other new clones that are coming out, and a recoil lug + RH and LH ,Jim is offering alot more for the money and I think they will be one of the more popular actions because of what he is offering Ackleyfan