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Tomahawk (300 RUM imp.) vs WarBird???

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Unread 03-25-2004, 04:24 PM
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Re: Tomahawk (300 RUM imp.) vs WarBird???

Brent, what could I add to your already thorough treatment of the subject? [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Neck length: ~.245
Shoulder diameter: ~.565
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Unread 03-26-2004, 02:34 PM
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Re: Tomahawk (300 RUM imp.) vs WarBird???

I can't speak about the Tomahawk but I do have some experience with the Warbird. As far as velocitites go I shoot a 180gr Accubond at 3555fps with the Lazzeroni listed max load of RL25. This is with a 27" Lilja barrel on a 700 action. I have tested a few other loads with IMR7828. 180 Nosler Partition at 3447fps at 3.5grs below max(this was my old hunting load). 150 Nosler Ballistic Tip at 3670fps at 2grs below max. As far as advertised velocities, I don't have any problem duplicating them with listed data.

With that out of the way I have to agree with everyone else that the brass is the fly in the ointment. I haven't seperated any cases in the 6 or 7 years I and a friend have been shooting Warbirds. But weight and neck thickness show too much variation. I have minimized this to some degree by sorting. I am happy with the accuracy I am getting.

If I were building a replacement rifle I would go straight to the unaltered 300RUM. Better brass is being made, and will be cheaper and easier to come by. Easy to find a factory rifle or an easier less $ custom build. No fire forming(not that it is difficult but its more components and wear on your barrel). From a hunting stand point I don't see enough advantage to deal with the downside of the other chamberings.

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BirdShooter, I had the TRG-S WarBird version but every time I tried to move up off minimum loads I had major pressure signs and other problems regardless of powder. Most people I have come accross that are happy with the WarBird are people that had their rifle rebarreled. A lot of people after rebarreling with a good barrel could shoot awesome groups @ 500yds ect. I have to agree the 300 Ultra seems like the way to go although the 30-338 sounds like an awfully nice creation. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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Unread 03-28-2004, 08:08 PM
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Re: Tomahawk (300 RUM imp.) vs WarBird???

I have a friend who is shooting a straight 300Rum with 240gr MK's. He was shooting them at 3000fps out of a 30" barrel. They did not shoot good at that velocity. He backed them down to 2800fps and they shoot much better.
1000 yards F-class is the game he is playing with the 240grs.

It seems that the only thing extra velocity gets you is larger groups. Most of the MK bullets seem to fly best at about 2800-3000fps. Any faster then groups start really opening up.

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Unread 03-28-2004, 08:39 PM
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Re: Tomahawk (300 RUM imp.) vs WarBird???

I'll agree with Brent on the Lapua brass subject, but you guys are shortchanging the Tomahawk... I get 3200 fps with a Sierra 240 gr MatchKing from my 30 inch Hart barrel. You won't do that with a standard RUM.The 210 can be pushed to 3350 easily... If you are building on a standard 700 action, the Tommy is the way to go.
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Respectfully...the Tomahawk only has about 2 to 4 grains more powder capacity than the RUM. I know. I measured both cases and studied both reamer diagrams. Velocity gains at the same pressures can only be about 20 to 40 fps.
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Unread 03-28-2004, 09:44 PM
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Re: Tomahawk (300 RUM imp.) vs WarBird???

Respectfully...Please...You don't have to be so condescending...
I have measured them also(I happen to own one) and the average is more like 7-8 grains... We've had this discussion before here and it seems that you guys that like to discount the Tomahawk can't seem to get your scales to read correctly. You show me a .300 RUM that'll do 3200 with a 240 gr SMK and NO pressure signs with the same length barrel as my Tommy and I'll buy it.
I happen to also own a 26" K&P barreled .300 RUM and get 3200 with a 200 gr Accubond. I anm well aware of the differences between the two cases and their abilities. My post was directed toward the original poster who ASKED about the Tomahawk.
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