Originally Posted by Mike6158
Montana Rifleman - I didn't think it would be confusing but to make it clear, though not stated precisely that way, all of the questions were related to the kill. The last one was nonsensical.
I don't think many people here were taking 800 to 1,000 yard shots on Elk 35 years ago. Especially with homemade lead bullets. But I could be wrong. Last year, at the same ranch, another kid insisted on using his .243 to kill some kind of exotic deer, the genetics of which escapes me. He made a good shot on the animal. It took a while to find due to the conditions (heavy, thorny brush) but we found it. It was a lot bigger than a native white-tail. One hole. There was obviously enough internal damage to kill the deer but if "I" had to make the same choice, the .243 would stay in the case.
toddc- The intent of the question wasn't which bullet do you use. That question would get a WHOLE lot more attention than this little thread. The question was (or was intended to be) what do you want the bullet to do- kill with hole all the way through so you can track the blood trail or kill with one hole.
Mike, did you intend this to be an objective survey/discussion or a subjective bash the "other guy" thread?
I have read dozens and participated in a few of these bullet/terminal performance threads and the vast majority of them turn into pissing contests.
I like to go by the "Big Boy" philosophy, meaning that we are all big boys and accountable for our own decisions, as I mentioned in another thread when a couple of members accused me of having too hot a load without having any firsthand experience with my rifle and load.
There are a lot of highly experienced shooters/hunters in these forums, all of whom I have a great deal of respect for, who have quite different views on bullets.
Your reply that the 3rd option was nonsensical is a bit over the top IME. The processing part is nonsensical, but there are hunters who prefer bullets that get the job done with minimal damage and that is not nonsensical. If you browse through the GS site you'll see that Gerard Schultz, who manufactures monometal bullets, prefers small caliber, lightweight bullets pushed to very high velocities to take medium to large game up to and including Kudu. He has anecdotal stories and and pictures of terminal performance to back up his view. If someone wants to call him or others irresponsible, exagerator or lair, I suppose they have to privilege to do so, but I find it regrettable.
So, assuming this is an objective thread, I'll chime in with my limited experience.
As I said I prefer a bullet that gets the job done. I lean to the monometals because they stay intact and usually produce a significant permanent wound channel and then exit. That said, I'll use other bullets to get the job done if they happen to be more accurate, better BC or whatever.
I do prefer bullets that exit but the vast majority of them have not left gaping exits. A couple of my anecdotal stories...
Shot a very nice B&C Big Horn in the breaks that I guess was about 300 lbs. I drilled him @ about 200 yds with a 7 RM and 160 NP's. 1st shot, he shuddered and stumbled forward a couple of steps, then just stood there. Jacked in another and fired again. Nothing, didn't flinch. Repaet, and again nothing. Started to wonder if I had missed the 2nd and 3rd. Jacked in a 4th and put it through the top of his spine. He fell over. Took him home and skinned him out and found 3 entries that you could have covered with a half dollar. The exits, all close together, were about nickle to quarter size. Not gaping. The 2nd and third had basically slightly enlarged the original wound channel.. Moral, the first NP deposited a lot of energy and effectively killed the sheep where he stood but also exited taking some energy.
Same 7mm and same 160 NP's. Called in a very nice and very large bodied 6x6 down in ID, to about 15 yrds and put one through the ribs. His entire huge body shook violently and he lept up and did a 180, took a single bound down hill and piled up. Again no gaping exist. In both cases minimal meat damage but the bulls lungs were mush.
We all have our experiences and preferences. There is no "perfect" bullet. Love hearing about others experiences but not really interested in the speculative "What ifs" and bashing.