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Old 08-21-2013, 07:41 PM
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Re: Stock vs. Custom

I have no idea who Mikecr is buying barrels from but that sure is not my experience with 30+ barrels from most mftrs. Many will offer special bores and can easily tell you what yours is. Plus most will stand behind their barrels and replace a bad one and they most certainly care about feedback!

Bad barrels are pretty easy to distinguish with a bore scope. You will see occlusions (holes/pitting in the metal), shearing of lands etc at at early stage. It is also pretty easy to measure threading and chambers to determine if it was the gunsmith. That is more common than you think also.

As for the reloading piece, I have seen more than one barrel sold that someone could not get to shoot and the next guy made it shoot like a house afire. Some people are fixated on only certain bullets, powders and primers and not every barrel will like that combination.

All are subject to the quality of the steel they get in the blanks and good, better and worse shipments all come to them and it tends to happen at the same time to all of them. Most mftrs will tell you they have an exceptional run and guys buy an extra barrel or two to set aside.

I know for a fact Tim North (Broughton) knows every dimension of his barrels and his finish is second to none. Clay Spencer was building AR10 barrels by the pallet loads for certain SOF units and they shot .5 MOA with ball in their guns. I have used Clays air guage on my barrels and then on one of his and there was a significant difference.

the real advantage of match grade barrels is the final finish of the bore, which is easier cleaning than factory by far and the expectation that they will shoot much better than 99% of factory barrels and with almost any load.

As for bore growth, that is normally only an issue if they flute afterward rifling for button rifled barrels, make major changes the contour after and someone tries to hand lap the barrel themselves or a local gunsmith.

That is also why they cut a groove in the muzzle end of the blank to make sure that is cut off after lapping as the ends tend to be larger due to the hand lapping.
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Old 08-21-2013, 08:10 PM
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Re: Stock vs. Custom

Thanks guys. Those were the type of answers that I was looking for. I know that custom barrels are nice too because you can order the twist rate, contour, and finish that you want.

I have shown my stock barrels a little more love than most too. The first 30 rounds I put down them I clean the bore with JB paste every 3 shots. Then I do it again after the next 10 shots. Then i shoot and clean the gun as i normally will. It seems to help.
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Old 08-22-2013, 06:25 PM
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Re: Stock vs. Custom

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I have no idea who Mikecr is buying barrels from but that sure is not my experience with 30+ barrels from most mftrs. Many will offer special bores and can easily tell you what yours is. Plus most will stand behind their barrels and replace a bad one and they most certainly care about feedback!
Broughton, Border, Krieger, Lija, Schneider, Wilson, Pacnor, Savage, Browning, NEF/whatever.
The aftermarket among these do offer lists to choose from, and they are pretty much the least expensive part of a build. I have no complaints of their product. But the 'standing behind their barrels part' is way way behind. Behind the gunsmith, and behind your proving of it as defective, in some manner that actually is. Otherwise, it's not a barrel makers fault,, it isn't.
None have ever asked me how their barrel turned out & performed for me. I know someone cares -when they ask.
I've only run across 2 'bad' barrels. The NEF factory fouled out within 8 shots, best I could get from it. Schneider sent a barrel that missed every single parameter ordered, and I had to beat junk out of it to get my borescope in. Their second attempt was only 2" short and wrong twist. But Gary did not care to hear it, and declared that he could not afford to be replacing every barrel out of his shop. So I chucked it in the nearest dumpster. I still ended up with a Schneider on a T2K. It shot fine.

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the real advantage of match grade barrels is the final finish of the bore, which is easier cleaning than factory by far and the expectation that they will shoot much better than 99% of factory barrels and with almost any load.
I think I said this, except, expectations aside, when barrel performance is taken to apples/apples(same shooting system), I highly doubt you'll find evidence of their being better 99% of the time(performance-wise) than factory.
There are plenty of factory barrels shooting good in factory guns, with factory chambers. With many they could be re-chambered & made to shoot better -for the same factory gun.
Now screw an aftermarket barrel on the same gun with the same weight/contour/chamber, and it could shoot better, or worse, just the same as screwing another factory barrel on there.
As mentioned, you get easier cleaning most of the time.

I never mean't to imply that aftermarket barrels are bad, better, or worse than factory.
I use them and like them a lot.
It's my contention that performance-wise, and barring a known 'problem', there is no basis to assume that an aftermarket barrel will IMPROVE the same shooting system.
Until I see actual evidence otherwise, it appears a crapshoot to me.
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Old 08-22-2013, 06:51 PM
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Re: Stock vs. Custom

"***POP***" damn, Mike. There you go bursting another one of my bubbles. and just when I was feeling good about my custom barrels. I am definitely not inviting you over for dinner. What a joykill. :-)
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