First of all bullet placement is the most important. I will never shoot a deer in the ass. If you just want to kill whatever pops up where ever it is than get yourself a big magnum semi-auto and put some lead in the air. When you get into the long range game you can usually wait for a good shot. If not than I dont take it. The bullets I use (SST, BT, SMK) do make a mess at close range but I have never had one not make it through a shoulder on the way in. As the range gets out there these bullets hold up a little better and get the job done. When you mess up the lungs and heart they dont go far. A little hole through the lungs and they can go a long way. I have never had one of these bullets fail. I would be willing to try the groove bullet but not at a buck a piece.
This debate is not likely to ever end, each will never convince the other their experience is the rule.
I prefer a heavier constructed bullet at higher terminal velocity, and a lighter constructed one at lower.
I shot a bear through the spine at 100 yards and blew a hole out its throat with my 300 Ultra last spring, he droped like hit with lightning. I shot this same bullet into the sand at 700 or 800 yards before going out with it, and it was a total failure by any stretch of the imagination. I've got a picture of it and it ain't confidence inspiring that's for sure. Never the less, it whacked that bear like no tomarrow. T'was 178gr A-Max... [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
Brent, you are correct. Everyone has there own idea on what is the correct bullet. One thing I will say is that shooting a deer in the ass is not a smart move. Unless your starving or trying to put down a wounded deer, that is a inhumane shot. I have never pulled the trigger unless there was a clear shot to the boiler room.
i guess we are on the long range forum and the match bullets work very well at those distances.i know they don't work well "all the time" at close range.as far as shooting a deer in the a__,i have no problems with it,because i use a bullet that will go out the north end.if you limit yourself to puff bullets,it's not a good shot.i've shot 7 deer that way and the farthest any traveled after the shot was 5 yds.it's a very humane,killing shot with the right equipment.it's not my first choice and i'll only take it if it's the only shot.i guess i am talking about close range hunting.if match bullets were a better bullet for hunting,why would the bullet makers even make "hunting" bullets?you're right,the debate continues
I think bullet makers make bullets to sell. Most hunters dont take long shots. Before I got into LR hunting 200y was a long shot. Most hunting bullets are made for the close shot and work like a solid at LR. If the bullets you use work for your shots thats great. Inhumane was mabe the wrong word to use. We all have are own way of hunting and whatever it is we should stick together.
I think the newer bonded polymer tip bullets have taken the first step into LR territory, as far as design goes. Made to expand a bit quicker, but still hold up if they hit bone probably better than a non-bonded bullet.
If you forget the match, puff, non-bonded bullet stigma, and look at the bullet's construction and fit it to your need, or what you think you need to do what you believe is most desirable on impact, it isn't too hard to see what should fit the bill better than another, IMHO.
An X bullet pretty much becomes a hair better than a solid at longer ranges, and a non-bonded poly-tip bullet isn't the best choice for up close and personal Bear hunting.
If a bullet penitrated hide, muscle, bone and internals as it blows up all over inside to kill, is that less efective than a bullet creating a narrow channel to the off side and stopping under the hide? I think it depends on the critter we're shooting at also. If you need it to bust down the off side shoulder after destroying the on side shoulder, well... If you need to get through to the vitals, often through bone, consider the terminal velocity and bullet construction and pick one you think will work the way you want it too. My personal opinion, I think that a bonded core bullet using a partition, like the A-Fame or Nosler, but having the VLD shape of a Berger, JLK or Cauterucio would be THE LRH bullet! It'll come!
I'm surprised caliber isn't a bigger issue, but it's often pretty opinionated as well I guess. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
i think we all basically agree,we're just arguing different scenerios.you have to pity the bullet makers.all we want is a bullet that'll kill a big bear at 20 paces and also a cues deer at 1500.oh yeah,it has to be able to win every bench rest competition,at any range! i think we should get that caliber debate going again.i'm sure that's a whipped horse.