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Short-action F-class rifle, caliber?

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Unread 12-10-2009, 09:37 PM
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Re: Short-action F-class rifle, caliber?

I started shooting f class with a 25-06 hunting rifle. I did okay. I met a friend that was shooting the lights out with a 6 dasher. He let me borrow his reamer and after a few pieces, I had a new f class rifle (bat action, krieger barrel, mcmillan f class stock). I have done really well with this rifle (in my opinon). I am shooting the berger 108's @ 3000 and 105 vld's @ 3030. I have been nothing but impressed by this giant killer. I hear people talk about the extra work in a wildcat, but I think that it is really just one more step. I bought dies from sinclair. There is one fireforming step, but the fireforming loads shoot almost as good as the regular ones. There is very little recoil which helps develop shooting technique and wind reading skills. I have chambered another barrel in 284 shehane, but at the moment, the dasher is still the go to barrel for me. I know that I am giving up a little at 1000. At 600, it is very hard to beat a dasher or 6 br. I also killled a whitetail deer at 500 with this gun this year. The barrel life will be somewhere between 2000-2500.
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Unread 12-10-2009, 09:38 PM
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Re: Short-action F-class rifle, caliber?

will you be at Quantico for the feb. match? I wont be able to make the Jan one but i hope to get to the feb one, havent shot in one since november.

They may have a make up match on Dec 20 and if the weather is halfway decent I will come to that. I do not care to stand around or lay around all day on wet cold ground when the weather is bad unless there is an animal to shoot at.
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Unread 12-10-2009, 10:31 PM
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I will look at the 6.5x47 lapua, sounds interesting, I will look at brass cost and downrange energy of the round. Cost is also a factor for me, don't have an unlimited budget for this project. So maybe the 6 dasher would be worth a try buy 6mm is a little small for a thousand yards in my opinion, I know it rules at <600, I'm sure almost everyone here could outshoot me at 1000yarfs with a 6 dasher but it's a bit of a personal preferance, may be stupid one but I prefer bullets that make a bit of a bigger hole when I'm shooting game, 6.5mm is already pushing it.

true, I suppose the barrel heating is (nearly) unavoidable in F-class shooting. I will look at the barrel lifes thread again, I read the main posts not the replies. I would definatly go with a 7RSAUM before the WSM because it gets the same velocity i want with less powder meaning longer barrel life, marginaly but still.
I may go to the rec fire if the weather is good Sunday, I will be shooting on my own property with .280fan probably saturday where we can shoot to 425yards from a covered position. Will see, if you see a 16 year old carrying wayy too much gear, that's me

I have read quite a bit about the 6 dasher and it seems to be a great round, but I also want to use this rifle to hunt at medium range with and the 6 dasher doesn't leave much room for error with a little 6mm pill. I my have to give in and get a dasher in the future but for this build I really want 6.5 or 7mm so I can shoot a little bigger bullets. If I had a big buck in my crosshairs I would prefer a 180grain pill at 3050fps (180berger, RL17, .284win) over a 108grain one at 3000. I'm sure it's capable of the shoot but I would feel more comfortable with a bigger bullet for now.
P.S. Your 6 Dasher sounds like a hell of a gun!!

I heard about the match, but I am leaving for Canada to go skiing on the 18th, so I won't be able to make that one either.... :(
I feel the same way, I only go out to hunt animals in bad weather, I love shooting but it's not worth pnemomia unless it's got antlers, big ones at that.
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Unread 12-10-2009, 11:55 PM
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Re: Short-action F-class rifle, caliber?

Jerry at newman precision is building me a .260 rem with a 26" barrel, to shoot 139 lapua scenars. BC=.615 is very respectable... the best price i've found was per 1000 at Grafs.

Of course, a different bullet would be needed for hunting, likely a 120 ballistic tip, or 130/140 accubond would be my choices, but then again, I'm not planning to use this rig for hunting; I've got plenty of hunting rifles. What I don't have (yet) is a match gun.

I recently spoke with another shooter with 2800 rounds fired in his 260, still shooting lights out, but he commented it doesn't clean quite as easily as before.

you should call and speak with Jerry. If you want his number, PM me...

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Unread 12-11-2009, 07:59 AM
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Re: Short-action F-class rifle, caliber?

loaders loft:
Yes I really like the .260 rem, I will probably build myself a light weight rifle in .260 but the .284win shoots faster with a heavier, higher bc bullet so for f-class that would be my top choice at this time.

I looked at some specs for the 6.5x47 lapua and it seems a little small for me. My software had s load shooting a 139gr scenar at 2700fps, I'm looking for a little more downrange umph for when I pull the trigger on 200lbs pigs.

I'm also interested in wildcats if anyone can post some velocity tables for them.
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Unread 12-11-2009, 08:55 AM
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Re: Short-action F-class rifle, caliber?

This list should help.

The Rifle Section @ www.reloadersnest.com
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Unread 12-11-2009, 01:09 PM
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Re: Short-action F-class rifle, caliber?

If you want t to shoot out of a 308 length magazine I'd highly recommend the 6.5 x 47 Lapua. It's similar to a 260 Rem in performance but can use longer (lower drag) bullets in a 2.8" OAL package. It also uses the 308 bolt face so converting to it would just be a barrel swap. It gets a performance boost from a higher pressure rating than the 308 or 260 even though it has a little less case capacity. There's also the 6.5 Creedmoor which is sort of in between the 260 Rem and 6.5x47 but in my opinion the 6.5x47 has more to offer.

Certainly the 264 WM is not suitable for a short action. It's the same length as a 30-06 or 7mm Rem Mag. Neither are any of the WSMs, SAUMs or the 6.5 Rem Mag , 248 Win, or 7mm-08 if you want to use heavy low drag bullets. The SAAMI OAL for the 6.5x284 is 3.228". It's not close to suitable for a 308 length action.

Even the 308 needs a longer action to shoot heavy low drag bullets. The 308 can work with 155 grain Palma bullets at 2.8" OAL but the 6.5x 47 has less wind deflection and less drop at 1000 yards.

The 243 or 243 AI would work but I don't see any advantage over the 6.5x47 except possibly reduced recoil and maybe better accuracy in low wind conditions. The 6.5 x47 will have reduced recoil compared to the 308. The case shape of the 6.5x47 is already similar to the\Ackley designs. Barrel life will be about like the 260 Rem. Worse than a 308 but better than a 6.5x284 or a 243 Win.

One more advantage of the 6.5x47 is that factory Lapua brass is standard.
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