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Old 08-29-2012, 06:23 PM
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Savage 111 long range issue

Hello, I'm having a problem with my new savage in 6.5x .284 Norma. I have only been able to get it to group for the first two to three shots. I've changed my loads, changed my scope, I don't know what to do with the stock.... I went to the range today with a new scope and my first three shot group was less than .5" at 100yds. Then my next group I had two in the same hole with about a 3" flier. My next shot was 4" from my point of aim so I quit. I took the stock off the gun to see if it had a wedge to remove but it did not. I can't see how you would glass bed it with all of the aluminum in the stock. Also I don't want to send it to Savage for 6 weeks, it's hunting season. I could use some suggestions from someone who may have had this problem. Thanks, Josh.
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Old 08-29-2012, 07:16 PM
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Re: Savage 111 long range issue

Rather than shooting multiple groups back to back, will it consistently group 3 shots under an inch at 100 yds from one day to the next?

Are you using factory ammo, or meticulously developed hand loads?

-- richard
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Old 08-29-2012, 08:08 PM
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Re: Savage 111 long range issue

My first three rounds for the last three days have grouped under an inch, then after I get a little heat in the barrel it all goes to hell. I am using handloads, 49 grs H4350, 130 grn berger vld hunting bullets, Fed 210m primers, Hornady brass completely prepped which I don't like, I have some Lapua on the way.
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Old 08-29-2012, 08:26 PM
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Re: Savage 111 long range issue

It sounds like you have a pretty decent load.

But, the factory barrel just isn't as well stress-relieved as you would expect from a good custom barrel. And if that's the case, then a new barrel is the best solution.

Nonetheless, that should not be a problem for many big game hunting situations.

Bedding/floating rarely hurts, but it probably won't help if your first 3 shots are always good. You might simply allow more time to cool between shots.

I'll leave it at that.

Perhaps someone else will go through the list of all things you can check to be sure it's not the action, stock, scope/mounts, shooter, ammo, etc.

-- richard
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Old 08-29-2012, 08:45 PM
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Re: Savage 111 long range issue

if it where me i would sight it in for a cold bore shot and then send it back to savage after the seasons over. but be sure to call them and tell them whats going on.

is yours the 111 LRH in 6.5-284 .
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Old 08-29-2012, 08:50 PM
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Re: Savage 111 long range issue

First which model Savage 111 do you have? Is it the long range hunter for example.
Seems barrel heating is the most likely problem from what you said. First I would not clean the rifle after a shooting session. Second, shoot your first shot and mark where it strikes then wait at least one minute between each of the next two shots. Let the barrel cool down out of the sun. Wait at least 15 minutes or until the barrel is not warm to the touch....fire your next three shots using the same procedure as the first three...be sure and mark the first shot of the second group also. Let us know what the results are.
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:02 PM
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Re: Savage 111 long range issue

Josh,
Have you done a barrel break-in? Some barrels can be pretty rough from the factory. My Savage 12BVSS did not. It truely amazed me because I have had several rifles that would not group worth a hoot right off the bat. They slowly and gradually got better, usually after 75-125 rnds.
This rifle's first 3-shot group measure .327" at 100yds, using handloaded 100gn Ballistic Tips. The next 3-shot group was with handloaded 120gn SMK's and they printed .452".

Yet I had to work hard to get this same rifle to shoot the Berger 130gn VLD hunting bullet accurately and consistently. I haven't finished load development on it yet but have shot some .4" groups with it.

Do you have a known accuracy load for your rifle? JohnnyK.
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