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Savage 11/111 338 lapua case sticking problems

 
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Old 05-20-2012, 10:08 PM
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Re: Savage 11/111 338 lapua case sticking problems

Yeah I think I will eliminate that headache before it starts and just work on Getting some Lapua Brass. Very pleased though with the Federal stuff though three making a nice tight little cloverleaf. Thanks for the input... any is appreciated!! I am new to the Lapua club after shooting a lot of 338 RUM.
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Old 05-21-2012, 05:42 AM
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Re: Savage 11/111 338 lapua case sticking problems

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Bolt seems fine after firing bolt lifts but pulls over brass , I have had 3 different lots of hornady factory 1-2 from each box stuck. New lapua brass 1 got stuck after reloding case 3 times others were fine using h 1000 and re 25 ,re22
been there done that... you gotta knock 'em out with a dewey rod... lookin' like a frontiersman loading his musket out there... embarrassing, sort of.

You said Hornady was wanting to help... they need to measure the case head diameter of their brass. It's about .002" TOO SMALL, and the Savage extractor can miss the rim at times. You can put the same spent shell back in the chamber and it'll still not extract (but tilt the muzzle up and the case falls out)...

Savage can send you a new extractor. If you adequately describe your problem to them they'll understand what's going on (if you get the right tech) and you'll get a new extractor, spring and ball in the mail.

Compare the Lapua brand rims to the Hornady rims and you'll see the .002" difference. Small amount of difference, yes, but enough to cause the Savage extractor to miss the rim sometimes.

I have never had a Lapua brand case do this in my rifle, for what it's worth. Savage did send me a new extractor, but I have not installed it since switching to Lapua brass fixed my issue.

Dan
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Old 05-21-2012, 05:48 AM
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Re: Savage 11/111 338 lapua case sticking problems

A second issue with the Hornady brass is it is often TOO LONG. They need to increase their case head diameter, and DECREASE their "trim to" length.

The cases that literally stick in the chamber (a separate issue from just the extractor missing the rim and the bolt coming back empty handed)...

...anyway, these cases that tend to stick are probably too long, if you measure them they'll be as long as 2.745" in some cases, fully .030" longer than they should be, at around 2.715" for the Savage chamber. A case that is too long can "bottom out" in the chamber and crimp the bullet like a vise--driving up pressure greatly, and yes, sticking the case in the chamber as often happens with over-pressure loads.

The Savage chamber is very tight, and that's a good thing... once you have brass that works in it, and of course the Lapua brass does work.

Dan
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:34 AM
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Re: Savage 11/111 338 lapua case sticking problems

brass needs to be trimmed to 2.710"...not 2.714"...that will fix this issue
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Old 05-21-2012, 05:27 PM
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Re: Savage 11/111 338 lapua case sticking problems

So would that hold true for the Hornady Match Ammo as well? The brass still being too long. I 'll try trimming them back and hopefully as was said earlier it will solve the problem.. But I have Lapua Brass on the way!!
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Old 06-23-2012, 03:41 PM
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Re: Savage 11/111 338 lapua case sticking problems

Good Info. wish i would have read this before I fired Hornady factory ammo in my 111 today. Same story. Case stuck on the first shot but came out easly with a tap of a rod. Have some Lapua Brass coming so I guess the Hornady is going on Gunbroker
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Old 06-30-2012, 12:30 AM
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Re: Savage 11/111 338 lapua case sticking problems

I had the same trouble with my 111 and hornady brass. Ordered 50 rounds of lapua brass and no problems with the first firing. I neck sized them the second load and they extracted fine, but the bolt was pretty stiff in extracting them. Fairly certain its not too hot of a load because it did it all the way through the powder ladder I went through with Retumbo. Is anyone neck sizing the second load, or is FL sizing best each and every time?

I havent had very much luck with Retumbo and 300 gr SMK. I went from 88gr - 92gr. Loads 88.5-90 did decent, but nothing close to what it should be doing at 100 yards. Anyone use R25 or H1000?
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