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Old 10-09-2012, 01:46 PM
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Re: SAAMI Hybrid Hunting, 7mm 168gr

Gentlemen,

First I must apologize for the lack of information provided on these bullets when they were released. We have stepped into unfamiliar territory and are feeling our way around.

What I mean is that, we had never considered SAAMI standards in the design of any of our bullets. Our sights were set on what we regard as increasing performance and SAAMI standards are an annoying restriction.

In another post, it was mentioned that we had another bullet called the SAAMI Hybrid. To clear up the confusion, the SAAMI Hybrid (a name that was discontinued) bullet is the Classic Hunter. We just changed the name.

These bullets were designed for an ammunition manufacturer who wanted a Berger Hunting bullet that they could load in SAAMI spec ammo without the tuning challenge the VLD Hunting bullets present. We are in the process of getting these bullets into loaded ammo but in the meantime we wanted to put them out there for reloaders.

I didn't think that these bullets would be interesting to those on a Long Range Hunting forum so we didn't mention their release here. For those who are interested in more info on these bullets you can go to our website blog through the links below.

Berger Bulletin New Berger Classic Hunter Bullets

Berger Bulletin Berger Classic Hunter Bullets Put to the Test

For now we are going to stick with the bullets that have been released so far. We are experiencing a surge of demand (likely due to the Nov election) so we are not introducing more than a few new bullets while we work to keep up.

One of the new bullets that was mentioned in a previous post is the Elite Hunter bullets. For now the only bullets available from this line are the 338 cal 250 gr and 300 gr Elite Hunters. The bullets in the Elite Hunter line are designed to be as optimized as possible with no regard for SAAMI standards. These are essentially the Hybrid Target bullets made with hunting jackets.

The Classic Hunter line is deliberately designed to comply with SAAMI standards for those hunters who want to feed through a magazine is factory rifles. It will likely be several months before we release any more bullets for each of these lines but they are on the list to be released in 2013.

Regards,
Eric
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:53 PM
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Re: SAAMI Hybrid Hunting, 7mm 168gr

Ksdogman,

Nice going! Great looking animals. Any detailed information on bullet performance: what part of animal was hit, exit size if any etc. would be appreciated.


My friend's rifle has a 26" barrel. I thought it was a tad fast but some rifles can run fast. Chrono'ed it a couple of times with my CED. IIRC the load was 72.5 gr of Retumbo. Never did any LR shooting and testing comeups etc. If my friend ever gets a shot at 300 yds (or more) it will be unusual.

You have me wondering about his load...I may have to do some testing both with the chronograph and some comeup work. Now that I have reflected on it there may be something wrong with the velocites I got.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:22 PM
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Re: SAAMI Hybrid Hunting, 7mm 168gr

Eric.
No problem! the idea of being able to reclaim my magazine and a G7 BC of 0.309 I figured their pretty close to the VLD and a hybrid design they'd be worth a shot even going into it some what blind. They worked out well so far and the BC has been pretty close if not spot on in my rifle. One thing that really impressed me is that all throughout load workup with these bullets I never got one group that was bigger than MOA, and yes I am able to use my magazine again and still hold 1/2MOA. General rifle doesn't open here in Montana for another week and a half so I'm just going to half to wait to see how I feel about terminal ballistics, but with reports starting to trickle in I believe I'll be pretty happy with them
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:28 PM
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Re: SAAMI Hybrid Hunting, 7mm 168gr

Elk 220 yds shoulder no exit, bullet was recovered on opposite side just under the hide, broke onside shoulder and turned the insides to jello, lungs were vaporized, went 40 yds tipped over, bullet retention looked like 30% just perfect the energy was given to animal, sounded like I shot a 2x12

Muledeer 400 yds a little back gave a minute of wind and didn't need to, the intersesting thing is the deer didn't move, the hydorstadic shock instanly took him down, he fell like I hit him in the head, when the bullet fragmented it cut his artery under his backbone and just like a heart shot, the bullet did exit here but didn't hit much for bone, this is where i love the bergers marginal shots, I have had several not so great shots with bergers but the damage is so severe they don't go far

Oryx 415 yds, if you look in the picture I hit him a little high on the first shot in the shoulder, it just leveled him layed him flat he laid there for 30 seconds or so we thought he was down for the count, much to my surprise as we were walkin up he got up to his front legs, I laid another shoulder shot in him at 200 yds this finished him both shoulders were completely destroyed both broke and the top side of his heart and lungs were trashed, the wound channels were awsome!!! These are extremely tough animals with really big bone structure and a lot of cartlige mixed in, oh neither bullet exited right inside the hide on opposite side. hope this helps
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Re: SAAMI Hybrid Hunting, 7mm 168gr

Where can I find pictures and measurements of these so I can determine if they would be beneficial in my 280AI?
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Re: SAAMI Hybrid Hunting, 7mm 168gr

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Gentlemen,

First I must apologize for the lack of information provided on these bullets when they were released. We have stepped into unfamiliar territory and are feeling our way around.

What I mean is that, we had never considered SAAMI standards in the design of any of our bullets. Our sights were set on what we regard as increasing performance and SAAMI standards are an annoying restriction.

In another post, it was mentioned that we had another bullet called the SAAMI Hybrid. To clear up the confusion, the SAAMI Hybrid (a name that was discontinued) bullet is the Classic Hunter. We just changed the name.

These bullets were designed for an ammunition manufacturer who wanted a Berger Hunting bullet that they could load in SAAMI spec ammo without the tuning challenge the VLD Hunting bullets present. We are in the process of getting these bullets into loaded ammo but in the meantime we wanted to put them out there for reloaders.

I didn't think that these bullets would be interesting to those on a Long Range Hunting forum so we didn't mention their release here. For those who are interested in more info on these bullets you can go to our website blog through the links below.

Berger Bulletin New Berger Classic Hunter Bullets

Berger Bulletin Berger Classic Hunter Bullets Put to the Test

For now we are going to stick with the bullets that have been released so far. We are experiencing a surge of demand (likely due to the Nov election) so we are not introducing more than a few new bullets while we work to keep up.

One of the new bullets that was mentioned in a previous post is the Elite Hunter bullets. For now the only bullets available from this line are the 338 cal 250 gr and 300 gr Elite Hunters. The bullets in the Elite Hunter line are designed to be as optimized as possible with no regard for SAAMI standards. These are essentially the Hybrid Target bullets made with hunting jackets.

The Classic Hunter line is deliberately designed to comply with SAAMI standards for those hunters who want to feed through a magazine is factory rifles. It will likely be several months before we release any more bullets for each of these lines but they are on the list to be released in 2013.

Regards,
Eric
Eric,

Thanks for the clarification. I am still a bit confused about one thing though. I was watching EOL and the definition Beck gave for the new elite hunter hybrid is pretty much exactly what you just gave for the classics. Are they the same, ie both hybrids with a tangent/secant combo but the classics are tied to SAAMI specs but the elites are allowed to be longer to gain as much BC as possible? Both have hunting jackets though right?

Thanks,

Scot E.
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Re: SAAMI Hybrid Hunting, 7mm 168gr

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Where can I find pictures and measurements of these so I can determine if they would be beneficial in my 280AI?
the lenght is 1.35" they have a longer Ojive, boat tail, and shorter bearing length than and Nosler 160gr Accubond and a shorter length also. Off hand I would say if you can use an AB in your magazine you can use a CH

bad pic but just for a visual
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Keep in mind the animals we shoot for food and display are not bullet proof. Contrary to popular belief, they bleed and die just like they did a hundred years ago. Being competent with a given rifle is far more important than impressive ballistics and poor shootability. High velocity misses never put a steak in the freezer.

Joe
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