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Old 01-30-2014, 10:49 AM
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Which rifle to use for first long range set up. (Reposted from wrong thread)

(Already posted this once in beginners section and didnt get much of an answer, so thought id try again here.) I'm a high school senior in Texas. I have been hunting all my life, and am wanting to get into truly long range shooting. I've used the equipment i have to take game out to 430ish yards, and targets to 600. My main rifle is a Winchester model 70 .270 made in 1965. Its in a Hogue overmold stock with the aluminum block. My question is, should i use this rifle, or a Savage model 10 "walmart special" factory rifle in .270 as a starting point for a long range rifle? The m70 shoots sub MOA easily, and I havent tried grouping the savage. The savage also has a much thinner barrel than the winchester. Are either of these suitable for LR use?
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Old 01-30-2014, 04:15 PM
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(Already posted this once in beginners section and didnt get much of an answer, so thought id try again here.) I'm a high school senior in Texas. I have been hunting all my life, and am wanting to get into truly long range shooting. I've used the equipment i have to take game out to 430ish yards, and targets to 600. My main rifle is a Winchester model 70 .270 made in 1965. Its in a Hogue overmold stock with the aluminum block. My question is, should i use this rifle, or a Savage model 10 "walmart special" factory rifle in .270 as a starting point for a long range rifle? The m70 shoots sub MOA easily, and I havent tried grouping the savage. The savage also has a much thinner barrel than the winchester. Are either of these suitable for LR use?
Well first off, welcome to the site! Nice to see another high schooler, like me, interested in long range hunting and shooting. Now down to the business, if it were my decision I would go with the Savage. The Savage is a better design in my opinion. The Savage also has a lot more accessories available for it such as triggers, stocks, and barrels for upgrades later on. Your Winchester is more of a classic even though its not a pre-64 rifle, I would actually put the original stock back on it and keep it as a sentimental rifle because of its age and value. An older 60s Winchester would be a great rifle to pass down and keep in the family.

The .270 Winchester is a great cartridge to start out with for hunting long range. When I first started shooting long range with hunting rifles I used my light barreled Remington Model 700 .270 Win. I use it for deer hunting out to 700yds and long range varminting. This rifle means a lot to me because it was my Dad's best friend's rifle and I got it when I was only 10. It shoots outstanding, at 100yds it shoots 1/2inch groups easy and out to 700yds it stays around 1/2 MOA. I find it to be a great deer cartridge and will suit you well. I also have some great loads for the .270 WIN, so if you need any help reloading for it I will be happy to help.

I believe your Savage will be a great place to start. After getting into shooting long range you could possibly bed the rifle and maybe do more to it to fit your needs. Put a decent piece of glass on top of it and shoot good ammo and it'll be a great rifle. Hope this helps. If you need anymore help just ask, I will help out or one of the other members will.
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Welcome to LRH Coleman. I think the best answer is the best rifle will be the one that shoots the best and shoots consistently the farthest... when it comes to long range. I personally like the M70 action, especially the pre 64. I heard the post 64's has some issues but not all that familiar with them. The current model M70 is a good action. The aluminum bedded Houge stock is a good stock as well. Not the best, but good.

If you handload, try working up a good load in each rifle and see which shoots the best and most consistent. if you don't handload, try a few boxes of different factory ammo and see if one is better than the other. If you want to get into serious LR shooting, handloading is pretty much required.

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Welcome to LRH Coleman. I think the best answer is the best rifle will be the one that shoots the best and shoots consistently the farthest... when it comes to long range. I personally like the M70 action, especially the pre 64. I heard the post 64's has some issues but not all that familiar with them. The current model M70 is a good action. The aluminum bedded Houge stock is a good stock as well. Not the best, but good.

If you handload, try working up a good load in each rifle and see which shoots the best and most consisrtent. if you don't handload, try a few boxes of different factory ammo and see if one is better than the other. If you want to get into serious LR shooting, handloading is pretty much required.

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Good for you getting into long range in high school. I'm 12 years removed but I know what it's like to build a good setup on a budget. I think the savage is a good starting platform, if it shoots now then great, I have a 270 WSM and I am very happy with the .277 caliber. Especially now that Matrix has the 165's with a .65 BC, and new to the lineup is the Nosler 150 LR with the same BC.

If your rifle won't stabilize the high BC bullets then the savage really has the upper hand: Mcgowen makes a great "drop in barrel" for under $300. I re-barreled a savage 22-250 with a Mcgowen 1:8 twist and it shoots 1/4 MOA. The barrel swap requires a few inexpensive headspace gauges and a barrel nut wrench, you can literally do the swap in an hour.

Whatever you decide just make sure you get good glass, I use a Zeiss 6-20x50 conquest and for the price ($750) I don't think you could beat it.
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The M70 shoots 1 MOA or better consistently, the Savage is a minute of deer type of thing. it was a walmart special my dad bought more than ten years ago
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The M70 shoots 1 MOA or better consistently, the Savage is a minute of deer type of thing. it was a walmart special my dad bought more than ten years ago
If you bed your Savage and adjust or replace the trigger, it will shoot 1/2 MOA or better. I have nothing against your Winchester, just the Savage will be the better rifle to work with while not breaking the bank. You could put a heavier, longer, barrel in it if the .270 doesn't shoot good enough and if you go that far I'd get a different, better all around cartridge.
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