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Old 10-03-2004, 06:27 PM
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Q-Optics,

Please understand that I am not trying to discourage you from your idea, but I have seen this happen time and again with shooters who have switch barrel rifled built.

Especially in a case such as your where the two uses for the same action are so starkly different.

I would highly recommend spending another $300-$350 and just get another action, I would recommend a Rem if you are using the RUM cases and build two completely seperate rifles.

With the expense you will have in this project, another $300 will not be much more and you will have the best of both worlds.

Having a switch barrel set up where only the barrel is changed and all else left as is is one thing, What you have in mind is having two rifles with a switch "Action".

Your choice of componants are great, I would just highly recommend goin gwith two seperate actions from the get go!

Just my opinion, I would much rather spend the extra money then have to deal with all the scope switching and rezeroing and all that other stuff.

Good Shooting!!!

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Old 10-03-2004, 08:12 PM
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Kirby,

Thanks for the input, I've been thinking the same thing. It wouldn't be switched very often, it would spend most of the time as the LR version. I'm kind of rideing the fence on that one. It'll be hard enough getting one new gun past the misses, but two, man I'd be in the dog house for sure.

Jim
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Old 10-03-2004, 11:11 PM
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Rifle Project

Ok, I'm open for suggestions here.

I'm having a rifle built for a cape buff hunt but I also want to convert it to a long range paper puncher. It is going to be chambered in the .400 Tembo which is based on a .404 Jeffery case. I want to be able to which stocks, barrel, and scopes and have two rifles in one. I'm undesided what caliber to use for the long range barrel. The case head needs to be the same as the .400 Tembo to work(.537 bolt face). I'm thinking maybe the .300 RUM, .338 RUM or neck down the Tembo .30-404.

Specs. on Tembo:
Win. M70 SS Ultra length action.(blue printed)
.400 Krieger SS match grade barrel.(African contour w/barrel band)
Hunting stock.(Wood painted tact. black and bedded.)
Badger rail mount.
Little scope.(1.1-4x26 or 2-12x32)

Long Range Specs.:
McMillain A-5 Stock
Krieger Heavy barrel w/break
BIG!! scope(9-36x56 or 6-24x50)


Any ideas or suggestions would be apperciated.

Thanks in advance.
Jim
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Old 10-04-2004, 08:56 AM
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Jim,

I understand the reasoning!!

Good Luck, let us know what you decide to do and how it works out.

Good Shooting!!

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Old 10-04-2004, 02:41 PM
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Re: Rifle Project

I've been spoiled by my 5.5 x 22.5 and 6 X 24 power target scopes 56mm.

So when I needed a needed a scope for my .458 I just ordered a 2.8 X10 44mm objective. Right off the first thing that I noted is I never used it down below 6x even on @120 yard shots.

I just like to see the bullet impact and the dust fly off their hide where you have the cross hairs.

I only use three bullets, 405 gr barnes x and the 510 round nose in solids and soft points.

Years ago before the .400 plus rules in most of the African countries for dangerous game. My Dad hunted with a 300 win mag and took quite a few cape buffalo. In my opinion the 416's and 458 are hard to beat. I'm not really familiar with your caliber. So I would suggest trying a few scopes and maybe you see what I'm talking about. At least 44 mm to have a larger field of view. You might also be taking some 250+ yard shots at grazzing animals and then you will wish you had 10+ power.

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Old 10-04-2004, 06:17 PM
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Re: Rifle Project

Budlight, I appreciate your insight.

I tend to like the lower powered scopes for my off hand shooting, I get much over about 6x and those crosshair just start dance'n all over the place, which doesn't do much for my confidence. Especially when you have and angry 2000lb buff staring you down and your quiver'n like a dog $hit'n peach seeds.

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I have several scopes that just may fit the ticket. I'll do a little experimenting and see what works best for me.

Here's a little info on the .400 Tembo.

It is brain child of several of the industries top people. At the SCI show in 2000 Edd Woslum of Evolution USA, Randy Brooks of Barnes Bullets, Dr. Keven Robertson, author of The Perfect Shot, wildlife veterinarian, and professional hunter, and John Krieger of Krieger barrels, got together and set out to develop a cartridge that is big enough to use on the largest of dangerous game but will still maintain a suitable trajectory for taking plains game out to 250+.

They set a few goals that it must meet:

Muzzle Energy: 4000lbs. +

Sectional Density: .310+

Momentum Value: 115 Pounds/FPS

Recoil: 50 foot pounds or less

Trajectory: 2" high at 100 no more than 4" low at 200.

Knock Out Value:45+

They decided on a 404 Jeffery case neck down to a true .40 cal, and the .400 Tembo is born.

.400 Tembo
350gr. Barnes X
Dia.-.400
Vel.-2300
ME.-4111
MV.-115
SD.-.312
Rec.-45
Drop. 2.5"
KO.- 46

Hawk bullets is also makes a couple bullets for it 375gr. and a 250gr.

With the initial tests the Tembo was shooting .75" to .5" groups, not bad for an elephant gun.

Jim

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Old 10-04-2004, 09:11 PM
 
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Fifty driver--"With the expense you will have in this project, another $300 will not be much more and you will have the best of both worlds." Surely you are joking....You must be a gunsmith or sell scopes or something.


Q--With advice like that you could really be mislead. The true cost of NOT Building a switch barrel is quite different than $300.

300.00 for the action

250.00 for the stock

1000.00 for a good scope

120.00 for good rings

100.00 for a good one piece base

185.00 for another Jewel trigger

150.00 for another bedding job

Sorry, but I have been there. Thats why I build switch barrels, I know the true cost. It is a lot easier to write down your data and make a windage and elevation adjustment, than it is to switch a scope from one gun to another and start from scratch.
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